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Fri, 12 June 2009 07:01

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Altzan wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 07:56

I never threatened anyone either.

You alluded to it. "They'll know in the end..."... how ominous.

Altzan wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 07:56

And before you say "HELL", I didn't come up with the idea.

Thanks for clearing that misconception up Sarcasm

Altzan wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 07:56

And who said I was trying to change anyone's mind?

"Equally hostile grip on atheism" doesn't really make sense otherwise.

Altzan wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 07:56

Spoony wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 01:29

secondly, if you "just don't agree" that there's anything morally wrong with the above (see my comparison to stalin), then religion is plainly not capable of actually teaching you right from wrong.

Uh...duh. I wasn't TAUGHT that Christianity is right, that's MY decision on what to believe. Just as it's yours not to.

When I said "right from wrong", you are aware that I was talking about 'morally right', rather than 'factually correct'?

Altzan wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 07:56

Spoony wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 01:29

thirdly, you haven't made any remotely palpable arguments in favour of christianity for us to reject in the first place. the closest you've come is tell us we're "hopeless failures" for wanting something to back up its claims we think are ludicrous, or to justify its teachings we think are - let's not mince words - evil.

I never saw much 'palpable arguement' in anything you posted either, just pointless comparisons and unsubtle opinions.

So you don't think there's anything wrong with threatening somebody with horrific punishment for nothing worse than disagreement? Once again, see above re: my stalin comparison. Perhaps you think it's pointless, but only because you aren't the one on the sharp end of this evil, evil threat. I stand by my earlier statement; if you can't see anything abhorrent about this doctrine, you simply don't know right from wrong.

Also, you still haven't answered my question about the origin of this god of yours; if you don't know that, it's pretty ludicrous to compare it to evolutionary biology in terms of "more believable". If you're gonna take the creationist viewpoint, then you're comparing the wrong two events. The origin of life would NOT be the point when life on earth was created by god... it would be the origin of god itself.

We have some pretty convincing theories about how the first spark of life arose on this planet (as well as laboratory tests proving that organic matter can arise from inorganic substances); ask anyone where God came from and all they can do is make completely unsupported guesses that defy our understanding of science.

Altzan wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 07:56

Spoony wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 01:29

what things were these, and more importantly, how do you define "repented"?

Right, I'll tell you mine if you tell me yours.

My what? I'm not the one who said "I've done things that would send me to hell if I didn't repent of them".

Hide your 'sins' if you're so ashamed of them, but just fill us in on what you mean by 'repented'.

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