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Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? [message #389792 is a reply to message #389256] Tue, 09 June 2009 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Dover wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 08:20



You misunderstand what the stimulus bill is. The stimulus bill is NOT the free-money bailout (Which, by the way, was a Bush initiative, not Obama's). The only way "undeserving companies" will get a hold of stimulus money is if they enter the employ of the federal or state governments (As in, a construction company receiving money for constructing a building or fixing a road, etc). This in itself isn't anything surprising--that's the way governments get things done.

For one, if it's a Bush initiative, why the fuck is Obama continuing it? I thought Bush's economic plan was failing according to him.

For two, yeah, it pretty much IS free money. The only downside is government regulation, which is causing companies to outright go under because they can't really meet the requirements (GM, etc).

Three, yes, AIG is a surely deserving company, right? Not to mention they hold control of the ports that Dubai should've owned, but don't thanks to stupid pricks in congress.



Dover wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 08:20

The problem with Guantanamo isn't it's physical condition, but rather the fact that it's in international waters where US laws and similar anti-torture institutions don't apply. The way to "fix it up" would be to invade Cuba and make it the 51st state. Closing it down is the right thing to do, especially since nobody can come up with a halfway-decent reason prisoners of war can't be interrogated some place where laws actually apply.


Yeah I clearly meant its physical condition Sarcasm. Anyways, while I do understand your point, address this one: where are the terrorists that were held captive going to go? Either they go to another, much more secretive location (LOL BUSH R BAD HE KEEP THINGS SEEKRIT), or they're simply let free. Now, if they're putting it in US waters where our laws apply, and it's not a super secretive location (afterall, doing that is just a failed Bush administration method, amirite), then good. But I haven't quite heard news of that. If you'd like to correct me, feel free to.

Dover wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 08:20

The term "small things" and "fuck up" tend to be mutually exclusive. In any case, I'm not sure what you're refering to here. He seems to have done a fantasic job when it comes to foreign relations, and nobody besides butthurt conservifags have found anything bad to say about him (And they don't count, as they unfortunately aren't foreign entities)

I'm referring to giving the Queen of England an iPod, bowing to a foreign leader (Again, a small thing, but stupid nonetheless). I'm not saying Bush was any better, but for a guy who people hoped would be alot better with foreign relations... yeah. Plus, alot of foreign investers can see US is just going deeper into a shithole, so they're not going to be as apt to help us out.

Most of the apparent "foreign relations" he does is the typical bullshit. Shaking hands, talking with them, etc. Outside of that, it doesn't seem like he's doing a better job than Bush did, really...

Oh, I also like how if people disagree with Obama, they're "butthurt conservifags". Way to be a biased prick, considering plenty of people on both sides of the aisle are disagreeing with various things Obama has done.



Dover wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 08:20

I'm pretty sure he isn't ordering the streets to be closed. In fact, in all the times he's gone out (And we know every time, Faux News never fails to throw a bitchfit), I haven't heard anything about streets being closed. At any rate, even IF he was closing streets left and right, I'd let him get away with such a minor gripe since he's reversing the US's terribad opinion overseas, fixing the economy, re-empowering the scientific community, pulling out of Iraq, and restoring the rule of law. In the light of all that, who cares if he closes a street or two? Better he spend his relaxation time amongst people instead of some hidden Texas ranch which acts like an ivory tower.


I live around the DC area, I should know. He does do this, and actually very frequently. You might not think much of it, but considering the amount of people who do business in DC and can't get through, that's alot of people who are either late to meetings/work/whatever, or who outright can't get to their jobs. Not to mention, this can fuck up local businesses just as well, since everyone is focused on this one business he's going to.

You might not think much of it, but to me, this is fucking bullshit. One man should NOT be able to close down streets and fuck up or "save" a business as he does just because he decides to do so. It's supposed to be a free market, not a market controlled by the government and whatever he wants to go to. He's a fucking President, he needs to start acting like it.

Also, the US still has a pretty shitty view from people overseas, the economy is hardly being "fixed" (He's just pumping money into businesses he deems fit to throw money at... way to continue fiscal irresponsibility that's been plaguing our nation for years, asshole), and I haven't really seen us pull out of Iraq yet (LOL WE'RE GONNA PULL OUT OF IRAQ RIGHT AS I'M ELECTED). I do agree it's good he's finally doing something decent and giving to the scientific community, but who knows, maybe they'll spend shittons of that money trying to research for a vaccine for something minor that's a huge deal all around (Swine flu, anyone). And restoring the rule of law? Hahahahahahahahahahahahah. Yeah, no. If anyone should get their head out of their ass, it's you. He's continuing the same bullshit work arounds Bush did, but is adding his own touch of bullshit on top of it all.

Dover wrote on Fri, 05 June 2009 08:20

I guess you were expecting the recession to be over in 100 days? He's done plenty. Get your head out of your ass.

Actually I was- in a good majority of his speeches, he bashes Bush and his blatent "failed policies" and how he can easily fix them, and that "change" would happen almost immediatly. Now that he's in office, his tone changes to "well, bad things are gonna have to happen first before some good things happen". Once again it's the same fucking bullshit we've been experiencing for the past years.

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