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Sun, 31 May 2009 14:26

Pyr0man1c
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 21:33]

nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 29 May 2009 17:17

Obama's not a Muslim...

so useless topic

"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"

AmunRa

and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...

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v00d00

A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.

Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.

Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).

Is it just me, or does that make more sense?

The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".

My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).

- v00d00

ELiT3FLyR

ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.

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		Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: zeratul on Fri, 29 May 2009 14:10
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: luv2pb on Fri, 29 May 2009 14:11
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: cheesesoda on Fri, 29 May 2009 15:27
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: zeratul on Fri, 29 May 2009 15:44
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: nikki6ixx on Fri, 29 May 2009 14:17
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: zeratul on Fri, 29 May 2009 14:19
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: zeratul on Fri, 29 May 2009 21:41
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: [NE]Fobby[GEN] on Fri, 29 May 2009 19:33
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Pyr0man1c on Sun, 31 May 2009 14:26
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: nikki6ixx on Fri, 29 May 2009 15:47
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Starbuzzz on Fri, 29 May 2009 17:03
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Fri, 29 May 2009 18:39
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: cheesesoda on Fri, 29 May 2009 22:30
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Fri, 29 May 2009 23:12
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Starbuzzz on Tue, 02 June 2009 14:55
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: IAmFenix on Wed, 03 June 2009 17:30
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: zeratul on Wed, 03 June 2009 20:16
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Wed, 03 June 2009 22:47
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Thu, 04 June 2009 04:35
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Thu, 04 June 2009 08:42
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Fri, 05 June 2009 05:36
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Fri, 05 June 2009 06:20
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Tue, 09 June 2009 09:21
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Tue, 09 June 2009 11:43
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		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Tue, 09 June 2009 13:33
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Spoony on Thu, 11 June 2009 11:15
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: nikki6ixx on Thu, 11 June 2009 11:57
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Ryan3k on Tue, 09 June 2009 19:31
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: zeratul on Tue, 09 June 2009 21:28
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		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: zeratul on Thu, 04 June 2009 22:38
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		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Fri, 05 June 2009 01:40
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: CarrierII on Fri, 05 June 2009 02:00
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: nikki6ixx on Fri, 05 June 2009 16:34
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: zeratul on Fri, 05 June 2009 19:28
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		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: ErroR on Tue, 09 June 2009 10:34
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Tue, 09 June 2009 11:44
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Prulez on Tue, 09 June 2009 13:36
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Tue, 09 June 2009 13:37
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Gen_Blacky on Wed, 10 June 2009 12:43
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: nikki6ixx on Wed, 10 June 2009 12:54
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Wed, 10 June 2009 13:51
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: u6795 on Wed, 10 June 2009 13:55
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		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: u6795 on Wed, 10 June 2009 14:43
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: nikki6ixx on Wed, 10 June 2009 15:21
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: u6795 on Wed, 10 June 2009 15:29
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Wed, 10 June 2009 17:22
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Spoony on Wed, 10 June 2009 18:30
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Starbuzzz on Wed, 10 June 2009 19:55
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: u6795 on Thu, 11 June 2009 16:40
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Thu, 11 June 2009 17:18
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: u6795 on Thu, 11 June 2009 18:35
		Re: Is Obamas Muslimness Bad? By: Dover on Thu, 11 June 2009 19:13
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