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Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? [message #381348 is a reply to message #381325]

Sun, 19 April 2009 13:34

Pyr0man1c
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Registered: April 2009

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And the new games.

"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"

AmunRa

and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...

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v00d00

A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.

Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.

Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).

Is it just me, or does that make more sense?

The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".

My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).

- v00d00

ELiT3FLyR

ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.

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		What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Craziac on Sat, 18 April 2009 16:34
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Genesis2001 on Sat, 18 April 2009 16:55
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: BlueThen on Sat, 18 April 2009 17:17
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Craziac on Sat, 18 April 2009 17:46
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: a000clown on Sat, 18 April 2009 17:25
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: RMCool13 on Sat, 18 April 2009 17:30
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Scrin on Sat, 18 April 2009 18:43
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: mrÃ£Ã§Ä·z on Sat, 18 April 2009 17:33
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Dethdeath on Sat, 18 April 2009 18:07
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: dr3w2 on Sat, 18 April 2009 18:10
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: ExEric3 on Sat, 18 April 2009 18:17
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Starbuzzz on Sat, 18 April 2009 18:22
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Hitman on Sat, 18 April 2009 18:25
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Craziac on Sat, 18 April 2009 19:52
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: cmatt42 on Sat, 18 April 2009 20:43
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Genesis2001 on Sat, 18 April 2009 20:52
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Lone0001 on Sat, 18 April 2009 21:15
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Good-One-Driver on Sat, 18 April 2009 23:54
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: TruYuri on Sun, 19 April 2009 01:07
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: RMCool13 on Sun, 19 April 2009 07:20
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Good-One-Driver on Sun, 19 April 2009 09:31
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: RTsa on Sun, 19 April 2009 10:23
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		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Scrin on Sun, 19 April 2009 10:46
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		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: mrÃ£Ã§Ä·z on Sun, 19 April 2009 11:50
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Pyr0man1c on Sun, 19 April 2009 13:34
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Craziac on Sun, 19 April 2009 14:20
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: cmatt42 on Sun, 19 April 2009 14:50
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Jamie or NuneGa on Sun, 19 April 2009 14:51
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		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Craziac on Mon, 20 April 2009 15:42
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Lone0001 on Mon, 20 April 2009 15:51
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: ErroR on Tue, 21 April 2009 02:05
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: BLÃ»Îµl4Î²ÃªL on Mon, 20 April 2009 05:48
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: TD on Mon, 20 April 2009 10:29
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: papaelbo on Mon, 20 April 2009 12:27
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Goztow on Mon, 20 April 2009 13:09
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		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: RTsa on Mon, 20 April 2009 13:59
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: a000clown on Mon, 20 April 2009 15:48
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: RTsa on Mon, 20 April 2009 15:54
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		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: rrutk on Tue, 21 April 2009 03:00
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: ErroR on Tue, 21 April 2009 03:56
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Goobers on Tue, 21 April 2009 04:28
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: ErroR on Tue, 21 April 2009 04:33
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Goztow on Tue, 21 April 2009 04:38
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Jamie or NuneGa on Tue, 21 April 2009 04:41
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: dr3w2 on Tue, 21 April 2009 14:00
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: RTsa on Tue, 21 April 2009 21:39
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Goztow on Tue, 21 April 2009 04:43
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: RTsa on Tue, 21 April 2009 05:49
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: EvilWhiteDragon on Tue, 21 April 2009 09:10
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Jamie or NuneGa on Tue, 21 April 2009 10:35
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Dover on Tue, 21 April 2009 12:42
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: dr3w2 on Tue, 21 April 2009 21:53
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: rrutk on Wed, 22 April 2009 04:32
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: RTsa on Wed, 22 April 2009 06:13
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Scrin on Wed, 22 April 2009 06:42
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: rrutk on Wed, 22 April 2009 07:22
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Scrin on Wed, 22 April 2009 07:34
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Genesis2001 on Wed, 22 April 2009 07:59
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: StealthEye on Wed, 22 April 2009 08:16
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: RTsa on Wed, 22 April 2009 12:18
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: StealthEye on Wed, 22 April 2009 13:00
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: TD on Wed, 22 April 2009 13:14
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Scrin on Wed, 22 April 2009 13:32
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Goztow on Wed, 22 April 2009 23:37
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Scrin on Wed, 22 April 2009 23:42
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Goztow on Wed, 22 April 2009 23:45
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Scrin on Wed, 22 April 2009 23:51
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		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: CarrierII on Thu, 23 April 2009 13:22
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Scrin on Thu, 23 April 2009 13:32
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: mrÃ£Ã§Ä·z on Thu, 23 April 2009 13:38
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: jonwil on Thu, 23 April 2009 18:22
		Re: What do you want out of Scripts 4? By: Gohax on Sat, 25 April 2009 05:41

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