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Re: luv2pb cares about the community. [message #364007 is a reply to message #364005]

Fri, 19 December 2008 13:43

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cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 12:31

Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 15:05

cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 11:56

Dover wrote on Fri, 19 December 2008 14:47

If you do your homework but don't hand it in, you don't get credit for it. If you recieve a check but don't cash it, you don't get money.

Yes, you're right about those two things. Still, since when does that imply that the homework wasn't completed or the check wasn't filled out completely? Just because you don't turn in your homework doesn't mean you didn't do the work or even did it entirely. You just didn't turn it in.

The same goes for a check. Just because you don't cash the valid check doesn't make the check non-existant.

All that proves is that you wasted time and an opportunity. It says nothing about the object itself.

Come on cheese, you're a smart guy (Or at least, you've convinced me you are). Why are you failing to understand what every five year old learns in first grade?

In order for homework (Or a check, or an xwis clone) to be complete, all work on it must be finished in its entirity AND it must be handed in. AND. BOTH conditions must be satisfied for you to recieve a grade (Or money. Or whatever it is you get for making an xwis clone. A ReneMedal?). If you turn in a blank paper, you get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community), but if you "do the work" but don't turn it in, you also get an F (Or no money, or ignored by the community).

gb2firstgrade cheese? Neutral

I don't think we're actually differing on what it means for something to be complete. What I think where we disagree is at what point the project is complete.

You seem to imply that it must be publicly recognized/used before it could be considered complete. I, instead, consider it complete if it works, regardless of recognition.

To put it another way: If I have to get my car repaired, your definition of it being completed is when I pick up my car. On the other hand, I feel it's completed when they've stopped working on it, and my car is in working condition, whether I pick my car up immediately, take a week, a month, or a year. Hell, if I die in transit to pick up my car, your view would leave my car repair incomplete. Rather, it's just the TRANSACTION is incomplete, not the repair itself.

Not recognition, but use.

To use the check example; If I have a stack of uncashed checks, they are, for all intents and purposes, worthless until I deposit them. I can't use them to buy groceries or anything else. Sure, the POTENTIAL is there, and I wouldn't go about throwing them away, but if I don't take that final step of going to the bank, I'm just as well off as not having the check in the first place. It's not a matter of fame, but a matter of utility

The work on your car may be "completed", true, but you're not getting any use out of it until you go pick it up. If you die in transit, you NEVER get any use out of it. The "work" may be done, but without picking up your car, what does that get you? You don't have a car to drive. Your car may as well be broken.

Now, on to the xwis clone; The "work" is (was?) done. The "car is fixed", the "check is recieved". But why should I give a shit if I can't use his clone, or "drive the car", or "pay my bills"? It (was?) ready for public beta. Whoop de fucking do. From my perspective (And anybody else save Null, apperantly), it may as well have never existed. What difference does it make to me if the "work" is done, if it was never released? It's useless. Worthless. Entirely without merit. A waste of time and effort.

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		luv2pb cares about the community. By: null.var on Wed, 17 December 2008 02:38
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