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Re: prop 8 california passes [message #358213 is a reply to message #358040] Tue, 11 November 2008 20:09 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 07 November 2008 17:01


So while many people danced in the streets over the election of America's first black president, believing that equality had finally been recognized... another group has become more marginalized. Sad day, really.


That's quite rich coming from a kid that PM'ed Ethenal to convey your message to me that I am a "homophobe." I don't know who the blind hypocrite here is.

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So far this thread has been very one-sided except for the efforts of a few.

I have no problem with gays and their lifestyle. But gay marriage is not just an issue that affects only gays. It asks cooperation from the majority by urging them to change their value system. Excuse me? What did you say?

That's ain't gonna happen so easily.

The reason? Not that the majority is being oppressive. It's far from that. I don't think it is appropriate to suggest that this is a case where a certain majority is oppressing the minority. It is also not too fair to suggest that this issue is comparable to the issue of women voters and Blacks.

This issue goes right into the fundamental concept of human life for the past thousands of years.

Given the huge numbers of the general religious population in the US, it would be an uphill struggle for homosexuals to gain "acceptance" by a group of people who have an entirely different value system. While it may seem that this majority is trying to preserve the integrity of their value system by denying others their right to practice their own, so small and tightly packed is the society that the change demanded is too great and fundamental that they simply cannot cooperate.

If you think this is the majority oppressing a minority, I would say it is merely a false illusion. It is more the case of the majority reacting to the threat of eventual subjugation by a minority in the near future.

Christian parents want to impart Christian values to their kids. This applies to people of all faiths. When in the future (if gay marriages are "legalized"), their kid asks them why one of his friends has 2 dads or 2 moms, what the heck are they going to say? You have got to be quite bigoted and indifferent if you do not see the conflict of ideals there.

This is one of the core reasons why we resist gay marriage.

Saying "boooo religion" is not a good approach to solve the problem. Telling us to "grow up" is not going to solve the issue. Calling us "backward thinking dead brains" is not going to solve the issue.

Only the most hardcore activitists go and "impose" their view that homosexuality is wrong. I believe they should save their breath for other useful purposes. But the majority that are anti-gay marriage could care less about the sexual activities and lifestyles of adults of the same sex. They have other genuine reasons as stated above. If the majority was really oppressing the minority, ALL of them would be going around saying homosexuality is wrong.

Sure it is inferred but they do not want to impose anything...they just will not cooperate with gay marriage and amend their lifestyle to accept it because it severely compromises their value system.

I probably won't cooperate either. I could care less if you lived right next to my house and played with a dick the night before but then when you bring your kid along with his other dad to the bustop in the morning, I don't want to be anywhere nearby with MY kid. I know you would say I am a "blowhard" and "intolerant" but then again, I believe in my Creator and the rules set forth. I would most probably try to find a place where similar thinking people like me live...perhaps I will move down South.

I could give a thousand more examples where the conflict of ideals would come up.

And this is exactly what those who voted for Prop 8 fear could happen in the future regardless of where they live...of course while many voted because they believe homosexuality to be downright wrong, my above reasons is also a a cause for it.

Not a women voter issue, not anywhere close to being close to the racism suffered by Blacks, this is something deep but I think this issue will be resolved like the above issues in the decades to come as the religious population wears thin with each incoming generation and the liberal trend continues to spiral upwards.

In an era where the terms "homophobe" and "homohpobia" is freely and unjustly and stupidly applied to anyone who is not pro-homosexuality without respect to their values and religion, expect more opposition as you try to forcibly change the value system of the majority.

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