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Re: McCain picks his vp. [message #349182 is a reply to message #349179]

Wed, 03 September 2008 18:48

JohnDoe
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R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 03 September 2008 20:27

JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 03 September 2008 00:50

Cutting off a woman's clitoris doesn't change the reproduction rate of humans, either...I really don't understand your line of thought.

What does that have to do with anything? It is in the exact same boat as circumcision...

Just because you don't like it and I don't like it and many other people don't like it doesn't take away from the fact that it is still a valid optional choice to do it.

Also, about the they should have the right to chose argument. I already said I agree with that, but that isn't the case. If you automatically give the right to chose to the person and wait until they are older, then that means that the entire procedure should just be discontinued as it really has no meaning.

Even though I would prefer people to chose for themselves, I think it is simply the better option to let the parents chose because the child won't ever remember the procedure or the pain, and they will grow up with what they have thinking it is normal. I don't know about you but I didn't go around as a kid checking other little boy's penis' to see if mine was "normal."

Which is why the argument shouldn't be "Is circumcision good or bad?" but it "Should circumcision be left up to the parents or abolished completely?"

Neither of which I feel is mine or anyone else's business but the family of the child and the child themselves.

Err... I don't even know why I keep replying here.. it goes against what I'm saying.... This issue should not be important to you or anyone at all. I'm done replying cause it makes me look like a hypocrite.

Let me get this straight: You support parents decising to have their daughter's clitoris removed, which can lead to her never experiencing an orgasm and severe psychological damage...but I guess it's all fair game since she's still able to reproduce, right? Have you actually hit puberty, yet? Jeez...

Your "letting the individual choose about having irreversible surgeries done to his body = abolishment of circumcision" argument seems pretty absurd...I already told you that I decided to get cut as an adult, so you do the math.

lol

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