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Re: Critize the Candidates [message #347460 is a reply to message #345198] Tue, 19 August 2008 10:16 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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You know, in hindsight, it was actually hard to compile a list showing Obama and McCain's lack of understanding of the constitution. Why? Because so many of the bills they simply did not vote on. I don't mean they voted for/against. I mean they didn't vote at all.

McCain missed 63.8% of senate votes in the current congressional session {source: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/})

-Obama missed 45.5% of senate votes in the current congressional session. {source: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/o000167/}





http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?con gress=110&session=2&vote=00168 (FISA "improvements", outlawed by: Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. )

FISA allows for the possibility of warrant-less searches, among many, many other things. That 1, single provision, is enough to declare the document unconstitutional.

Obama: Yea
McCain: Not voting





http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?con gress=110&session=2&vote=00125 (Flood insurance reform, outlawed by: Article I, Section 8 {source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section8})

*Note: For those unaware, the list of powers given to the House and Senate in Article I, section 8 is exhaustive. The elastic clause that appears as the last entry in section 8 was placed there in the event that a power struggle broke out, and it was, somehow, made illegal for any of the powers listed in section 8 to be carried out, through that elastic clause it would be possible to justify the enactment of a law to fix that error. That is ALL the elastic clause is for; to help enforce the powers congress had already been given. Not to expand them!

Now, maybe I'm blind, but nowhere in Article 1, section 8 do I see a power allowing the government to enact any form of insurance, give money to an established form of insurance, or anything to do with "federal aid". The flood insurance program is illegal, and by extension, so is it's reform. You do not vote to continue (even if it is a reformation) of something that is illegal. You DON'T DO IT!

Obama: Yea
McCain: Not Voting



http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?con gress=110&session=2&vote=00068 (To establish a deficit-neutral reserve fund for a 3-year extension of the pilot program for national and State background checks on direct patient access employees of long-term care facilities or providers. Outlawed by: Article I, section Cool

Where is the authorization to launch pilot programs? Much less for background checks? Hm? There isn't. Illegal.

Obama: Yea
McCain: Not voting (big surprise -.-)





http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?con gress=110&session=2&vote=00020 (FISA again, but a different date than the first one posted, outlawed by: Amendment IV)

Again, a bill for warrant-less search and seizure. Completely illegal.

Obama: Not voting
McCain: Yea





http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?con gress=110&session=2&vote=00166 (Telecom immunity for passing information along to the government, outlawed by: Article I, section 9 "No ex-post facto laws")

Ex-post facto, for those who don't know, means "after the fact" effectively. It means you can NOT make a law that says "Yea...this was illegal back then, but this law makes it legal now, and makes appear as if it was legal back then too. So if you have a civil suit pending, which relies on a given item being illegal at a point in history, an ex-post facto law makes your case invalid, by making the action legal at that point in history.

Obama: Yea
McCain: Not Voting


I can go on...but do you really want me to? I admit, it was REALLY hard finding anything McCain voted for, then again, he only voted on about 30% of the items listed on: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_110_2.htm ...so it's hard in general.

I was not making "reference-less accusations", I was simply saving you, and everyone else, the large volume of reading proving such points involves. But, since you asked, here's my proof. All you had to do was ask Smile

Peace out,

-Kingdud

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