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Tue, 12 February 2008 18:42

IronWarrior
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warranto wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 18:05

Sorry, but that is faulty logic.

Suicide by cop is NOT simply knowing the police will kill you, and allowing it to happen. This is where you deliberately take actions in which you know the police will respond by killing you.

The suicide part comes in because of the ACTION you take, not in "waiting around to let it happen", because there is no waiting, there is a forced response by the individual to the police.

With what Jesus did (and anyone else who simply waits around and wait for the inevitable to happen) is not suicide, but rather allowing himself to be sacrificed for a greater cause (whether people believe in the cause or not, this is what it was done for).

Socrates did the same thing. He preached against the state, the state captured him and sentenced him to death. He accepted that sentence without attempting to escape (and according to Plato, he was given the chance to escape but chose to stay behind and face his captors).

I don't know ANYONE who said that Socrates committed suicide by doing that.

You are wrong, using fancy words as "he sacrificed for a greater cause" is just a xtains way of blinding the pure fact of allowing himself to be killed. therefore suicide.

If you know what is gonna happen to you, then that is a level of suicide as you take your own life in your hands knowing the full facts of what you are doing and what is gonna happen to you.

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