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Thu, 04 October 2007 21:12

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Almost the oldest argument ever. There are two schools of thought:

1. A sound is not a sound unless it is heard by something. Sound waves themselves are not a sound. Once the waves strike something that vibrates and is converted to electrical signals to a brain, then there is a "sound". If there is nobody there to convert the soundwaves, there was no sound. The tree fell, there was cause, but no effect.

2. Sound waves do not require physical/electrical conversion to be classified as a sound. The tree falling definitely disturbs the air, creating sound waves. It does not matter that there was nobody there to say "hey I hear I sound", the sound waves are still generated and propogate outward. Sound waves do not operate on the quantum level, the tree fell, it made a sound, there was nobody to hear it, simple as that.

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		If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 04 October 2007 18:36
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: BlueThen on Thu, 04 October 2007 18:50
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: NukeIt15 on Thu, 04 October 2007 18:51
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: BlueThen on Thu, 04 October 2007 18:54
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:14
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Starbuzz on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:19
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:21
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: BlueThen on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:39
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:56
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:01
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:05
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: BlueThen on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:09
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:16
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: BlueThen on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:20
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:39
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Thu, 04 October 2007 21:54
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:22
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:30
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: bisen11 on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:08
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: mrpirate on Thu, 04 October 2007 21:01
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Blazer on Thu, 04 October 2007 21:12
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Ryu on Fri, 05 October 2007 00:25
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Fri, 05 October 2007 04:09
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Fri, 05 October 2007 05:29
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: The Elite Officer on Fri, 05 October 2007 09:55
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Fri, 05 October 2007 11:52
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Fri, 05 October 2007 12:07
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: jnz on Fri, 05 October 2007 12:12
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: The Elite Officer on Mon, 08 October 2007 08:53
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Mon, 08 October 2007 16:39
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Starbuzz on Mon, 08 October 2007 17:41
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: BlueThen on Mon, 08 October 2007 17:43
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Mon, 08 October 2007 19:59
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Mon, 08 October 2007 22:20
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Mon, 08 October 2007 22:35
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Mon, 08 October 2007 22:49
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Ryu on Fri, 05 October 2007 04:24
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: nopol10 on Fri, 05 October 2007 05:15
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Herr Surth on Fri, 05 October 2007 05:28
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Herr Surth on Fri, 05 October 2007 09:57
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: The Elite Officer on Fri, 05 October 2007 09:59
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: luv2pb on Fri, 05 October 2007 10:09
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: z310 on Fri, 05 October 2007 17:21
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: DarkKnight on Fri, 05 October 2007 17:22
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Jecht on Fri, 05 October 2007 20:20
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: DarkKnight on Tue, 09 October 2007 16:57
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Tue, 09 October 2007 21:27
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Jerad2142 on Tue, 16 October 2007 17:56
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Jonty on Sat, 06 October 2007 00:04
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Sat, 06 October 2007 06:23
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Herr Surth on Sat, 06 October 2007 06:26
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Sat, 06 October 2007 06:55
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Sat, 06 October 2007 12:53
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Sat, 06 October 2007 19:57
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: z310 on Sun, 07 October 2007 14:02
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Herr Surth on Sat, 06 October 2007 06:59
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: GeneralCF on Sun, 07 October 2007 16:59
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Sun, 07 October 2007 18:09
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: z310 on Sun, 07 October 2007 19:52
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Matix101 on Mon, 08 October 2007 17:42
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Rocko on Tue, 16 October 2007 22:08
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Jerad2142 on Wed, 17 October 2007 09:44
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Wed, 17 October 2007 12:16

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