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Re: If a tree falls in the forest... [message #288404 is a reply to message #288402]

Thu, 04 October 2007 20:16

cheesesoda
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BlueThen wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 23:09

cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:05

Renerage wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 23:01

cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:56

BlueThen wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:39

You'd be listening to a duplicate of the sound, but not the sound itself.

If it's a duplication, isn't that proof that an original exists?

If I make a copy of an image, the duplication is proof that an original existed. You can't duplicate something if it never existed.

If you create a new MP3, it's not a duplication. It's the original MP3 that you created. If someone else has a COPY (or 'duplication') of your MP3, then it proves there was an original, else it wouldn't exist.

The question isn't whether someone HEARS the sound that it makes, but DOES it make a sound? If we have a duplication, then deductive reasoning proves that it does, indeed, make a sound.

Not by bluethen's logic.
How about this one smarty pants-
If you have a DEAF guy in the room, and you scream in his face.
Do you still make a sound?

Pfft, even by his logic I win.

The "organs of hearing" can be what receives the soundwaves on the recorder.

As for your question... yes, it makes a sound. Just because the brain doesn't receive any signals from the ears doesn't mean that the ears aren't receiving the sound.

But you are not listening to the tree itself. You are listening to the recorder.

An addition to that, you just messed up the whole question, the question was:
If a tree falls in a forest, and no one hears it, does it make a sound?

You basically ignored the part of "no one hears it" by saying that you record it and hear it later.

I'm sorry, but it's stupid to think that sound is defined correctly as that first definition you gave. Sound is energy, whether or not it's received by hearing organs.

As the MythBusters proved, sound CAN break glass. Glass does not have any organs, especially organs for hearing. Yet, if everybody left the building, the glass would still be broken because of the energy given off by the speakers. That energy is sound.

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		If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 04 October 2007 18:36
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: BlueThen on Thu, 04 October 2007 18:50
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: NukeIt15 on Thu, 04 October 2007 18:51
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: BlueThen on Thu, 04 October 2007 18:54
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:14
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Starbuzz on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:19
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:21
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: BlueThen on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:39
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:56
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:01
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:05
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: BlueThen on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:09
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:16
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: BlueThen on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:20
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:39
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Thu, 04 October 2007 21:54
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:22
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Thu, 04 October 2007 19:30
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: bisen11 on Thu, 04 October 2007 20:08
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: mrpirate on Thu, 04 October 2007 21:01
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Blazer on Thu, 04 October 2007 21:12
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Ryu on Fri, 05 October 2007 00:25
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Fri, 05 October 2007 04:09
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Fri, 05 October 2007 05:29
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: The Elite Officer on Fri, 05 October 2007 09:55
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		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Fri, 05 October 2007 12:07
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		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: The Elite Officer on Mon, 08 October 2007 08:53
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Mon, 08 October 2007 16:39
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		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Mon, 08 October 2007 19:59
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Mon, 08 October 2007 22:20
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Mon, 08 October 2007 22:35
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Renerage on Mon, 08 October 2007 22:49
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		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Tue, 09 October 2007 21:27
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Jerad2142 on Tue, 16 October 2007 17:56
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Jonty on Sat, 06 October 2007 00:04
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Sat, 06 October 2007 06:23
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: Herr Surth on Sat, 06 October 2007 06:26
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: R315r4z0r on Sat, 06 October 2007 06:55
		Re: If a tree falls in the forest... By: cheesesoda on Sat, 06 October 2007 12:53
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