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Re: RenGuard Update! [message #241350 is a reply to message #241303]

Fri, 26 January 2007 07:59

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Blazer wrote on Fri, 26 January 2007 00:40

Just because one has the ability to do something bad with knowledge doesn't mean that by default that is what happens.

You're joking, right? There was a really long post he started where he admited he cheated, apologized, and promised not to do it again.. Is that what you mean by "default"? This is what pisses me off... it's not that someone with the knowledge of cheating or hacking is helping you with the application, and I think you know that.. which is why I asked you to stop being disingenuous in your remarks. It is the FACT that THE person you rely on to create this application actually DID cheat in open, public servers.. and the ALLEGATION that the server owner knew about it, slapped his hand and hoped he wouldn't do it again.

This isn't about a smart guy who knows how to cheat working with you to make sure that you create a program to stop people. It's about that same person using his knowledge to actually cheat, and hope that he could continue to get away with it. And it's about an organization that we are all supposed to trust and love for keeping the game cheat free, covering it all up to save face.

I don't believe that anything else produced will have a "trojan" in it, I won't refuse to install it because I'm "scared" of what it might contain. I just can't seem to understand why I would trust that this application would do anything other than the current one.. keep n00bs from cheating until they find the new, real cheats hidden online. Dont' you think we'll always be wondering what SK and his friends have come up with this time that none of us have thought about?

Blazer wrote on Fri, 26 January 2007 00:40

Either way, replying to a happy announcement about the RenGuard update with gloom and bitterness is just, heh well...I guess you are entitled to your opinion, but it would have made more sense to make a seperate topic saying that you dislike SK, than to bash the update because you thought he worked on it.

I believe that actually was tried, and it was tried in the appropriate forums for that kind of discussion. Sadly, they too were removed, and the conversation was quietly killed. I don't dislike SK. Actually, at this point, I dislike BHS more for the way they are handling this whole situation, and for basically destroying any faith I may have in their future products peformance.

You know me Blazer.. You've known me for a long time, and I have never done anything other than stand behind you both, and help to defend you against baseless accusation from disgruntled idiots. We have always had the same thoughts in regards to how people should be treated and situations handled in our communities. We part ways here, I guess... I'm not here to just "expose you".. I'm here because I would love to be able to trust RenGuard for another 4 years, and trust that it honestly is doing what it claims to be doing. We've banned thousands of players off our servers for cheating, and shunned them from the game with no possible recourse except to buy another serial and change their IP/Identity... SK isn't "special", and he shouldn't be given the "special" treatment you are, simply because he is the backbone of what you are creating.. That makes your creation worthless, in my opinion. To me, this wasn't a "happy announcement" about a renguard update..

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