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Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #237514 is a reply to message #237504]

Sat, 06 January 2007 01:40

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fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 01:41

As many of the folks at clanwars.cc have found out recently:
--Two convicted cheaters are being allowed to return to the league

...under strict conditions and observation

fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 01:41

--Someone who cheated on a public server under Crimson's name is not being banned on clanwars.cc and is instead getting a forum ban for one month

We've never, ever banned players from the league for stuff that didn't happen in a league match. That's what the clan league is - it relates to clan matches, not public servers. Even the forum ban wasn't standard procedure until I made it so a couple of months ago.

fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 01:41

The argument on clanwars.cc was "Do you think this is fair to have convicted cheaters return to the league and do you think that cheating on a public server should earn you a ban in the clanwars.cc Renegade league?". Many people felt that since the two cheaters have done their time, they should be given another chance. They also, for the most part, felt that cheating on public servers isn't a big deal since pub. servers are a joke to them and they could care less about them.

My argument was that I do not think a cheater should ever be unbanned under any circumstance, and that if you cheat on a public server you should be banned in every way/shape/form possible ... including on the clanwars.cc Renegade league. This belief worked up a lot of people on clanwars.cc - but I stand firm to it to this day.

Clanwars.cc players are going to argue: the punishment was fair, they did their time, and life moves on. People screw around on public servers but its not a big deal since its not an official clanwar.

Pub. players are bound to think that is a load of shit.

So what do you guys think? Am I over-reacting or making too big of a fuss over this, or is the Renegade league wrong to be this lenient on convicted cheaters?

Long before I saw the light, I was a moderator on N00bstories. I recall banning someone (I forget his name) who cheated against DrkXFactr's clan in a clan match. Crimson and DaveGMM unbanned them because the offence wasn't in N00bstories. Do you agree with that, then?

As for 'this lenient', the current policy on cheating is stricter than it has ever been, and it's also much fairer than any public server I can think of, because we don't ban people without conclusive evidence.

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		Treatment of convicted cheaters By: fl00d3d on Sat, 06 January 2007 00:41
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: NukeIt15 on Sat, 06 January 2007 01:05
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: DarkKnight on Sat, 06 January 2007 21:52
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Spoony on Sat, 06 January 2007 01:40
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: fl00d3d on Sat, 06 January 2007 04:06
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Crimson on Sat, 06 January 2007 15:21
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: MexPirate on Sat, 06 January 2007 06:12
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: fl00d3d on Sat, 06 January 2007 06:52
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Spoony on Sat, 06 January 2007 11:57
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: MexPirate on Sat, 06 January 2007 07:28
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: puddle_splasher on Sun, 07 January 2007 04:17
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Spoony on Sun, 07 January 2007 04:36
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: MexPirate on Sun, 07 January 2007 05:39
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: puddle_splasher on Sun, 07 January 2007 07:44
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: MexPirate on Sun, 07 January 2007 08:29
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Goztow on Sat, 06 January 2007 13:27
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Ryu on Sat, 06 January 2007 14:19
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: MexPirate on Sat, 06 January 2007 14:20
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Spoony on Sat, 06 January 2007 14:39
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Goztow on Sat, 06 January 2007 14:41
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Spoony on Sat, 06 January 2007 15:01
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Crimson on Sat, 06 January 2007 15:17
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Spoony on Sat, 06 January 2007 15:28
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: IronWarrior on Sat, 06 January 2007 15:46
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Spoony on Sat, 06 January 2007 16:30
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: IronWarrior on Sat, 06 January 2007 16:34
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Crimson on Sat, 06 January 2007 18:50
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Spoony on Sat, 06 January 2007 23:46
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: puddle_splasher on Sun, 07 January 2007 04:36
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Spoony on Sun, 07 January 2007 05:00
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: EvilWhiteDragon on Wed, 10 January 2007 12:46
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		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Spoony on Sun, 07 January 2007 22:10
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		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Spoony on Sun, 07 January 2007 22:37
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		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Crimson on Sun, 07 January 2007 23:01
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Spoony on Sun, 07 January 2007 23:08
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Crimson on Sun, 07 January 2007 23:09
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Renerage on Mon, 08 January 2007 12:44
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: puddle_splasher on Mon, 08 January 2007 02:46
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		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Crimson on Mon, 08 January 2007 12:54
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		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Crimson on Mon, 08 January 2007 22:08
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: CarrierII on Tue, 09 January 2007 04:45
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: MexPirate on Tue, 09 January 2007 07:05
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: warranto on Tue, 09 January 2007 10:21
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Crimson on Tue, 09 January 2007 11:54
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		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Blazer on Tue, 09 January 2007 18:03
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: MexPirate on Tue, 09 January 2007 19:38
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: fl00d3d on Wed, 10 January 2007 02:41
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Crimson on Tue, 09 January 2007 16:21
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: MexPirate on Tue, 09 January 2007 16:41
		Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters By: Crimson on Tue, 09 January 2007 17:02
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