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Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? [message #217090 is a reply to message #217005]

Sun, 03 September 2006 12:49

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Scythar wrote on Sun, 03 September 2006 04:52

I don't see how measuring is the opposite of observing, it's all about the same thing: sensing the information we receive from the object after a force is applied to it, either directly by us or not. Even if measuring means the part of the process where we apply the force and not the Sun for example (through photons), I still fail to see how it's the opposite. It's the same thing in the end. It's not possible to measure/observe/analyze something without a force affecting the target. We can't even prove the existence of something without there being a force that effects it.

Observing and measuring certainly go hand in hand, and everyone is capable of both, but they are opposites of each other. Think of it like the difference between active and passive sonar. Passive sonar, like observing, just hears whatever is sent to it. If nothing is sent, it can't hear. Active sonar, like measuring, sends out a ping to detect things. Then you hear, or observe, the return signal.

Measuring is certainly pointless without observing. However, it is not the act of observing that causes interference, it's the act of measuring. The observer only sees what the observed "allowed" it to see. The observed is the one sending the information back, and has the "control" of reality.

Scythar wrote on Sun, 03 September 2006 04:52

I'm not sure what point you mean, you've had a lot of points in this topic. Can you clarify this one?

The video claims that an observer controls reality. I observed the people on the video. However, I didn't change the people, they changed me by making me think they are crazy. Everyone on the video who was observed remains completely unaffected by me. They transmitted information to me, via the video, not the other way around.

My point is that an observer is the helpless pawn of the observed. The nature of a video/movie/etc is that you send information from the observed to the observer. No information is returned, so the observed is the one in control. Since the people claim observers control reality, yet the video itself shows the opposite, they are proven wrong by the means they used to communicate their message.

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		What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Blazer on Sun, 27 August 2006 15:52
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Blazer on Mon, 28 August 2006 17:18
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: NeoSaber on Mon, 28 August 2006 19:26
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Blazer on Tue, 29 August 2006 17:57
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: NeoSaber on Tue, 29 August 2006 21:03
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Blazer on Wed, 30 August 2006 16:26
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: z310 on Wed, 30 August 2006 16:45
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: NeoSaber on Wed, 30 August 2006 20:27
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Scythar on Wed, 30 August 2006 08:39
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Scythar on Wed, 30 August 2006 13:36
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: msgtpain on Mon, 28 August 2006 19:32
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Jecht on Mon, 28 August 2006 18:59
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: warranto on Mon, 28 August 2006 19:07
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Javaxcx on Tue, 29 August 2006 15:34
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Hydra on Tue, 29 August 2006 14:19
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: jnz on Tue, 29 August 2006 15:27
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: z310 on Tue, 29 August 2006 17:43
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Blazer on Tue, 29 August 2006 17:51
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: z310 on Tue, 29 August 2006 18:26
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: xptek on Tue, 29 August 2006 22:32
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Hydra on Tue, 29 August 2006 22:34
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Blazer on Wed, 30 August 2006 16:28
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: jnz on Wed, 30 August 2006 14:43
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		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: futura83 on Thu, 31 August 2006 15:33
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: z310 on Thu, 31 August 2006 15:51
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Crimson on Thu, 31 August 2006 16:28
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: futura83 on Thu, 31 August 2006 16:36
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		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: NeoSaber on Fri, 01 September 2006 22:03
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Blazer on Sat, 02 September 2006 09:54
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: jnz on Sat, 02 September 2006 08:49
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Scythar on Sat, 02 September 2006 10:46
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: NeoSaber on Sat, 02 September 2006 12:07
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: jnz on Sat, 02 September 2006 18:37
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Blazer on Sat, 02 September 2006 19:44
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: NeoSaber on Sat, 02 September 2006 21:52
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Scythar on Sun, 03 September 2006 01:52
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: NeoSaber on Sun, 03 September 2006 12:49
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Scythar on Sun, 03 September 2006 14:30
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: NeoSaber on Sun, 03 September 2006 16:18
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Scythar on Mon, 04 September 2006 08:30
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: NeoSaber on Mon, 04 September 2006 13:30
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: msgtpain on Sun, 03 September 2006 11:16
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: Blazer on Mon, 04 September 2006 15:03
		Re: What The Bleep Do We Know!? By: z310 on Sat, 02 September 2006 20:17
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