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Re: -United Anti-Cheating Federation- [message #208169 is a reply to message #208165] Sat, 15 July 2006 03:55 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

I did expect a lot of bullshit coming out of this, tbh, still I will try to defend my case without getting into any personal attacks like almost everyone else did in here.

I haven't attacked you personally.

Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

My statement that you cannot efficiently ban players. How can you even argue about this? If Crimson cannot keep Moee banned from renegadeforums, I ask myself how you can ban people that really want back in from yours. You must be aware that not only IP's change very rapidly today, there's also many other methods to keep anonymous on the net. Hell, ask DJM: he'll explain you.

My point stands - almost all of them try getting back into the leagues, and nine times out of then they get caught immediately. Your statement is purely theoretical whereas mine is based on consistent experience of running leagues, and not just for Renegade, so yeah.

Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

About the test you just provided. Good going, you caught him. I can fully understand you can do these things in 2v2. But how the hell do you want to do them in a 12v12 game? It's is nearly impossible.

Did you even try?

Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

We will not ask for a screenshot as you cannot see cheats on them anymore.

Some cheats aren't shown on screenshots - equally, some are.

Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

We will hardly ever ask you to shoot around the head in front of a rock because most cheats can bypass that.

equally, some don't

Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

We prefer to ban one player not using cheats and 9 cheaters than to let 1 cheater play.

That's where we differ. I'll let ten cheaters get away with it before I ban one innocent player from my league, and I'll still wager my league doesn't have 10% as much cheating as your server.

Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

I've seen one person in here replying in a decent and respectful way and that's the topic starter Leiw.

Then I guess you have me, Mrpirate and De7 on ignore. Either that or bias is clouding your judgement.

Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

He probably doesn't agree with our banning policy neather because he states he always wants 100 % proof before banning a player. That's his right.

He did say that, and he also said he agrees with players being banned without any proof whatsoever. In other words he simply doesn't know what he thinks.

Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

In no way I have judged your clanwar league in this topic, still I get personal attacks throwing to me by people. "Your moderators are worthless" "Your server stinks". That wasn't needed, was it?

What's that got to do with my league? I don't see the connection.

Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

I just wanted to show you that you should be careful about calling your league cheatfree. You just prooved my point by posting a caught cheater. At least one clan war wasn't cheatfree: the one you played there.

I hate to burst your little bubble of alternative logic, but here are the plain facts:
1. An extreme minority of clanwar players cheat in clan matches - far less than in public servers
2. My system for judging cheaters innocent or guilty is INFINITELY fairer than any public server in existence (without a doubt fairer than yours)
The C4Packer example proves my point, not yours. It was a situation where everyone in the community knew he cheated, but nobody could prove it. Then I played him anonymously and proved it conclusively - thus, he was banned. If we ran things the way you do, we'd ban him just because many players "knew" he cheated. Trouble is, you're wrong a lot of the time, so we go by evidence.

Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

Ofcourse it does. The fact we own the server gives us the right to ban people from it. We do pay a lot of money for it.

I didn't word that well - I meant you shouldn't, not you couldn't.

Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

We actually do not try to make people look like cheaters to this community. If we talk about them, it's because they come to our forums. If people talk about them in other forums, it can be we state "he has been banned from our serevr for cheating".

Leiw apparently does, with his "anti-cheating" community. No doubt Mrp and De7 are added onto their cheater list, despite their obvious innocence. But hey, let's not let minor little details like that get in the way.

Goztow wrote on Sat, 15 July 2006 05:18

Last but not least because I'm not going to come back on this topic, good luck with your clan, Leiw! Come to our forums for a funwar if you are intrested (click on my siggy).

I'd offer a funwar against either you or Leiw with my clan Taiwan, but I think it's a foregone conclusion that we'll just get accused of cheating and/or kicked from the game, so I think I won't bother.

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