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Re: Protests over a cartoon... wtf. [message #202075 is a reply to message #188804] Thu, 01 June 2006 10:37 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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All you did was show me where it says the beam of "LIGHT" can't carry information. It's still light, just not one you can transport information along.


Whatever...it's still not the usual light that we know, that's all I'm saying.

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Heard? From a credible source. And that's only the main four books. What about all the others included who witnessed the things themselves?


Who says it's crediable? Besides, I think this is more going into the direction of supporting/disproving Christianity...if can tell you why the whole Christian faith doesn't make any sense, if you want to head into that direction.

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Religion is founded on at least 2 of those things, then. There is no evidence for history text to state who did what (maybe that someone mentioned did exist, but not that it was them who did the act). You have to rely on what they were told by other sources of information. That, in itself, is less credible than the bible, as the majority of the New Testament is written by people who witnessed it themselves.


It's only theory that's said to be the truth tbh. Did the Evangelists witness Jesus' life themselves? Like I've said, if you want to discuss Christianity, then I'm going to try to disprove it as a whole next time. If you'd rather talk about God in general without the religions, then we should just drop this.

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Java's post has nothing to do with what I said, although it doesn't discount what was mentioned.


He explains how you can't really put religion and philosophy in the same shelf.

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I'm not talking about what's possible, I'm talking about what's proven.

As for lightning being God's anger, that was Religion back then, but it was also wrong. Using what I said in a completely irrelevant context doesn't help your argument. I stated what science believed made it science, not that the belief itself was true. Turning that into an argument about the belief itself being true does nothing to assist your side.


It being possible is all I need to prove my point.

I used that to show how a pheonomenon of nature was mislabeled as something religious, just like world being flat was mislabeled as science.

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Based on what, that evil thing called intuition? You have no proof that what he says is real, so you can't rely on evidence. Nor can you expect your "guess" to be the correct one.


No, because every step had been walked before, so why should it be impossible to do the same?

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Oh, I know my own logic, I was just waiting for you to say something like you did. As such: You are correct! There would be no primary creator if everything had to be created by someone else. So, where does it begin? It the universe has the ability to "always-exist", then the idea that a different being also "always-existing" could also be possible.

As for your second argument there, thank you for admitting it's not wrong. However,, it does not make it nonexistent. If the qualification of superfluous makes something wrong... see back to what I said about using the existence of molecules to explain things.


A different being could also be "always-existing", but why should there be such a thing if it works perfectly without?

I've never said it was wrong...I'm just saying that there's no point in believing into something that superfluous.

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99.999% is too subjective to adequately answer. Besides, there is a reason Religion is called a "belief"


You're saying that the existance of God is as realistic as the existance of molecules?

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So, you're willing to hold something that could be disproven, as a valid truth?

Gee, that sounds a lot like your argument against religion.


I'm willing to hold something that is 99.9999% sure as the truth, since that's as close as it'll get.


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