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Re: Protests over a cartoon... wtf. [message #201730 is a reply to message #188804] Wed, 31 May 2006 05:54 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Please...which rules? Apparently sci-fi novels are acceptable as religious text, so don't get me started.



I can't tell you which rules Scientology uses, so I can't help you there.

Two rules that the Roman Catholic church uses, off the top of my mind, are: Is that the Text must have been written by someone close to Jesus. And, in order for something to qualify as a "miracle" is must have no scientific explanation.

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Not to the extent of what's possible with religion. If a scientist falsifies something, others can still tell you if it's either plain wrong (something you can't do with fake religions) or how realistic it is (compare evidence, something you can't do with fake religions either).


Not the point. It can still be falsified, and held as a scientific truth. The idea of a religion being false has nothing to do with the existence of God.

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That's true indeed, but after all the idea of a God is irrational if you can't support it with something.


So was the existence of the light bulb. But after close to 1000 attempt at proving it, it was finally done. There have not even been that many religions created (as far as I can tell).

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That science is more trustworthy than religion because it can actually back the stuff up it proclaims? Nice.


That Philosophy, which is on the exact same level as Religion, can be used to back up science. The idea of being unable to prove things as being an acceptable form of backup.

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Uhm when did I do that?



You: Talking about us being created through a chemical reaction.
Me: Can't be proven.
You: Life can be created through a chemical reaction
Me: Can't prove it happened to us.
You: But life can be created through a chemical reaction
Me: Can't prove it happened to us.

That entire exchange was relating back to your first post. I keep talking about it can't be proven that it happened to us, and you keep arguing with my by talking about who life can be created through a chemical reaction. The same argument in instance three as it is in instance 1. If you had not been attempting to argue with me on that respect, you would not have continuously related your response with my argument.

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I'll let wikipedia speak here: In cosmological terms, the universe is thought to be a finite or infinite space-time continuum in which all matter and energy exist.



That's nice. But I said to prove it. Telling me what someone else thinks is the truth, with his own evidence to back it up is evil, remember? After all, Religion does that, and Religion is bad!

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If you can back your point up, sure. Can you?


I have as much ability to back up my points, as you do yours.

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There wasn't anything even resembling proof to support those theories, so they weren't the truth, thus were mis-labelled. It's irrelevant what they thought...



Ok, so lets see the argument here.
You: Religion got it wrong, therefore God is false!
Me: Science has got it wrong as well.
You: That doesn't count! It was mislabelled!

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It can still be measured and it's existance proven...



You keep saying it, yet you never actually do it.

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good luck doing that with God!


Never said it could be done, or was required to be done.

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That's not the point...the point is proving or even getting evidence that your religious text isn't bogus without using it


It was the point though, or at least how you stated it.

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If I wanted and was smart enough, I could teach myself what I need to prove the existance of molecules...can you do the same with the religious text?

Remember this?

Let me highlight the "point" for you.

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prove the existance of molecules......can you do the same(prove the existance of )with the religious text?


Whether or not the religion I may or may not belong to (when did I state I was religious?) is bogus has no effect on the existence of God.

[Updated on: Wed, 31 May 2006 05:55]

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