Renegade Public Forums
C&C: Renegade --> Dying since 2003™, resurrected in 2024!
Home » General Discussions » Heated Discussions and Debates » Protests over a cartoon... wtf.  () 3 Votes
Re: Protests over a cartoon... wtf. [message #201234 is a reply to message #201173] Sat, 27 May 2006 16:25 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
warranto is currently offline  warranto
Messages: 2584
Registered: February 2003
Location: Alberta, Canada
Karma:
General (2 Stars)
JohnDoe wrote on Sat, 27 May 2006 12:01

warranto wrote on Sat, 27 May 2006 11:06

JohnDoe wrote on Sat, 27 May 2006 02:57


First off, there is a difference between the assumption that something exists and something existing.

The people that thought electricity existed, that the world was around, that the earth moved around the sun, etc had either CLUES OR EVEN EVIDENCE that gave them the idea in the first place. Did any caveman have that idea? No, because he didn't stumble on any clues. You're doing the complete opposite...you have no clues or evidence whatsoever that God exists, but you believe in it. It's a random thought just like my pink unicorns and believing that there is any truth behind it is, yes, nuts.


There is no difference. In both instances, you are claiming that something exists. The existance of proof is irrelevant, because it is subjective to the individual choosing to believe the proof. People claim that there is proof of God's existance all the time. You just decide not to believe it. Just as people claimed they "knew" the world was round, etc. the others just chose not to believe them.

The same concept is there for the "clues or even evidence that gave them the idea in the first place". The clues that people have about God, are the religious text, and the world around them. You just happen to think that this isn't proof. Just as, I'm sure, those countering the idea of the world being round, etc. decided that the "proof" of the respecitve discoverer wasn't actual proof at all.




In one instance I still leave the possibility for the other side, in the other I don't. You're saying apples and oranges are the same because they're both fruits...

The religious text is written by ordinary men and each one contradicts the other...how can that be evidence? The judge would laugh at you in court if you try to make a case with that. In that part Scientology is even more believable since there's only one Hubbard sci-fi story...which clue do you mean with the world around you? Science has proven how life here started and evolved. You can't label those things as proof or clues, since they're nothing more than intuition. You can believe in that stuff however, since it can't be completely disproven, just like the pink unicorns, the flying spaghetti monster and Xenu.


True, in one you leave a possibility open for the alternative. It doesn't matter though, in both instances you express that the idea "makes no sense", and is "nuts". In both instances, you qualify it as not existing; it "might not exist, therefore I don't believe" and "it doesn't exist, therefore I don't believe" both convey the same message: that you don't think something exists.

The Religious text don't contradict each other. They ALL state that God exists. The only problem is that each text states one is more right than the other. That isn't a contradiction, just a disagreement on the fact.

You state that Science has proven how life has started and evolved. I challenge you to show me this proof.

As for the "labeling things as proof", who is to say that something hasn't been mislabeled? Do you have anything that could suggest the label given something is the correct one?
 
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Read Message
Previous Topic: hi do u hav cam?!
Next Topic: jonwil exposed
Goto Forum:
  


Current Time: Sat Feb 15 15:06:56 MST 2025

Total time taken to generate the page: 0.03262 seconds