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Re: Protests over a cartoon... wtf. [message #201163 is a reply to message #201131] Sat, 27 May 2006 09:14 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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JohnDoe wrote on Sat, 27 May 2006 04:49

Call it Big Bang then and not God. You're basically believing into something that fit with the definition of "God" and has started the universe.


But it's not even remotely tied to the big bang. The evidence (and there IS evidence based on physics and the transcendental aesthetic) suggests that the unmoved mover can exist and not be corporeal. The suggestion that an unmoved mover is corporeal is a contradiction of all things about natural law. However, to suggest that there is no unmoved mover is also a contradiction of all natural law. That's why the TA is so vital in explaining all this.

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Yes, but every mover has been moved by another mover. I don't understand why there should be a mover that can't be moved.


Because it's a violation of the laws of thermodynamics and causality. You're purporting a universe where all things are the sum of their parts, however that extrapolates to contradiction when you establish a generalization for the nature of the universe. "Infinity" is not a concrete construct in our universe-- at ALL. Neither is the notion that the universe has exploded and contracted an infinite number of times.

That's interesting to note though, because you have absolutely no evidence that is any different then mine (albeit less likely then mine) for an infinite regression of causality. The irony is that regardless of infinite causality, the necessity for a mover still exists in a transcendental state.

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Right now we can measure how the star systems have moved away from a center...it makes sense to me that the dark matter will slow the star systems down and ultimatly pull them back together with it's gravity, where the energy will build up again and another Big Bang occurs.


We actually have no evidence to suggest this happens or ever happened. It's a mathematical extrapolation based on--> you guessed it, causality in the terms that I am arguing it.

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If you believe in Big Bang you will ultimatly have to believe in infinity. Believing in infinity however will tell you that there is no starting point/God. Basically, you can't believe in God and the Big Bang at the same time and since we have clues and our physics suggest that a Big Bang has occured, I will believe in the latter.


Belief in infinity in our universe is a violation of all our physics principles. The irony is that your supposed proof for infinity uses said principles to prove itself, which is a contradiction.



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