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Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person [message #200895 is a reply to message #200870]

Thu, 25 May 2006 10:51

mrpirate
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Dover wrote on Thu, 25 May 2006 11:36

Renegade is a TEAM based game, so a 20v20 would prove who the better TEAM player is.

Playing as a team requires everyone on the team to make an effort to play cohesively, and regardless of how good a "team player" you are, all it takes is a couple stupid people out of that 20 to ruin your team's chance of winning.

It annoys me when people start talking bullshit about how I'm not a "team player" if I don't participate in their stupid rushes all the time. What defines a team player, anyway? If a team player is someone who helps the team to win, then often a team player is someone who ignores the idiots on his or her team and attempts to get the necessary points or destroy the necessary building by themselves. If you are trapped in your base and some newb says "FLAMER RUSH EVERYOPN LLOL," are you not a team player if you ignore him?

Perhaps challenging someone to a clan war in place of a 1v1 would be appropriate, if you are interested to see how someone behaves as part of a team. However, unless that person is also calling the clan match, all it would demonstrate would be their ability to be disciplined. 1v1s are the only way to effectively compare individual skill in Renegade. I suppose I shouldn't make assumptions like this, but I imagine you don't like the idea of 1v1s since you have little to no experience playing them. Thusly, (please don't take this personally) you know you wouldn't have much of a chance in one. That's OK, I've been there myself. No one expects you to be born knowing the strategy for playing a 1v1. However, once a player knows how to play a 1v1, it is at least a useful exercise in determining which individual has better ability to use a tank. And after all, a team is only the sum of its individuals.

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		1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Feetseek on Tue, 07 March 2006 17:25
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: gufu on Tue, 07 March 2006 17:58
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: $c0p3 on Thu, 09 March 2006 20:56
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Herr on Fri, 10 March 2006 03:20
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: $c0p3 on Fri, 10 March 2006 07:37
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Herr on Sun, 12 March 2006 04:34
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: $c0p3 on Tue, 14 March 2006 20:06
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Lijitsu on Tue, 07 March 2006 18:03
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: terminator 101 on Tue, 07 March 2006 20:54
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: superj69 on Tue, 07 March 2006 21:05
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Herr on Wed, 08 March 2006 03:51
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Mighty BOB! on Tue, 07 March 2006 22:17
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Tunaman on Wed, 08 March 2006 09:35
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: trooprm02 on Mon, 22 May 2006 10:57
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: CarrierII on Thu, 09 March 2006 05:39
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: MexPirate on Thu, 09 March 2006 06:27
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: superj69 on Thu, 09 March 2006 14:18
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: $c0p3 on Thu, 09 March 2006 20:57
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Feetseek on Thu, 09 March 2006 23:01
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Xylaquin on Fri, 10 March 2006 11:25
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: notmany15 on Fri, 10 March 2006 17:41
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: m1a1_abrams on Fri, 10 March 2006 18:15
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: gufu on Sat, 11 March 2006 07:58
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: notmany15 on Sat, 11 March 2006 10:22
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: [NE]Fobby[GEN] on Sat, 11 March 2006 13:06
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		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Lijitsu on Sat, 11 March 2006 16:23
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: superj69 on Mon, 13 March 2006 22:34
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: CarrierII on Sun, 12 March 2006 03:25
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Herr on Wed, 15 March 2006 01:37
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		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Goztow on Thu, 16 March 2006 00:51
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: mrpirate on Wed, 15 March 2006 17:29
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: PointlessAmbler on Wed, 15 March 2006 20:41
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		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Dover on Mon, 27 March 2006 13:31
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		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Dover on Wed, 24 May 2006 07:48
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Dover on Sun, 28 May 2006 14:19
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: JohnDoe on Wed, 24 May 2006 09:05
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Dover on Wed, 24 May 2006 10:42
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: JohnDoe on Wed, 24 May 2006 11:53
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: PlastoJoe on Wed, 24 May 2006 12:07
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: pirkel123 on Thu, 25 May 2006 08:11
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Dover on Thu, 25 May 2006 08:09
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: mrpirate on Thu, 25 May 2006 08:19
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: pirkel123 on Thu, 25 May 2006 08:26
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Dover on Thu, 25 May 2006 08:36
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: mrpirate on Thu, 25 May 2006 10:51
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: JohnDoe on Thu, 25 May 2006 08:41
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		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: JohnDoe on Thu, 25 May 2006 10:01
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		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: JohnDoe on Thu, 25 May 2006 10:28
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: mision08 on Thu, 25 May 2006 10:40
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Dover on Thu, 25 May 2006 11:34
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: JohnDoe on Thu, 25 May 2006 12:15
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: pirkel123 on Thu, 25 May 2006 12:19
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: JohnDoe on Thu, 25 May 2006 14:05
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: pirkel123 on Thu, 25 May 2006 18:48
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: JohnDoe on Fri, 26 May 2006 01:14
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		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: JohnDoe on Fri, 26 May 2006 06:04
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Aircraftkiller on Fri, 26 May 2006 06:48
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: JohnDoe on Fri, 26 May 2006 06:58
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: pirkel123 on Fri, 26 May 2006 07:41
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: PlastoJoe on Fri, 26 May 2006 14:10
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		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Dover on Fri, 26 May 2006 11:01
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		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: JohnDoe on Mon, 29 May 2006 02:36
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Dover on Mon, 29 May 2006 14:06
		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: mrpirate on Sun, 28 May 2006 22:35
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		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: Dover on Mon, 29 May 2006 18:02
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		Re: 1st Person vs. 3rd Person By: JohnDoe on Tue, 30 May 2006 02:44
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