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Re: C&C Reborn is released! [message #183247 is a reply to message #183210] Fri, 23 December 2005 02:10 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 22 December 2005 20:11

So what if you don't care about deadlines? Others do, and they believe them.

So, we have people like me who would rather have a deadline be missed and have the product be good (obviously the old Reborn sucked @ that, but the new Reborn is under new leadership, so until they release a public beta, shut your piehole) and then we have people like Aircraftkiller who would rather have it be released "on time" and have the product be crappy. Take a look at EA. They release crap at their deadlines all the time. But actually, Aircraftkiller, you wouldn't believe that. You actually like Battlefield 2.

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Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 22 December 2005 23:25


Reborn has lied about their progress. In order to punish them, showing the public that they've been lying the entire time is justice in my eyes. People who download the internal alpha see for themselves that they've been exp0sed as liars.

I fail to see that they've been "exposed as liars". I've played the public beta that was released a long time ago. I know how crappy that one is. Then the new management came around, and yet still little was done. Now Sloth is on their team, and I've seen a lot of improvements in a relatively short amount of time. I'm not an active beta tester of Reborn, but from what I have tested I have seen a lot of improvements in the last couple of months. For a group of people that are working on this in their spare time outside of school and work, I'd say that's a remarkable improvement. While I don't know if they'll be able to make any deadlines (nor, in fact, do I even know of the deadlines, having not frequented the Reborn site looking for deadlines), I'm confident that they are making progress, whether or not it's timely.

As for exposure and justice... it's more apparent to me that Aircraftkiller is an asshole than anything else. I say a leak (which is unethical and illegal: no matter how you look at the laws, it is illegal to distribute something somewhere without the owner's permission) deserves more "justice" than lying (which is not illegal, I might add). While I disagree that taking down the RenAlert site and then consequently moving it to somwhere else is the proper justice, I don't think that it's sufficient justice.

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I hope this topic ends now. It's been discussed enough already. We know what's happened.


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