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Sat, 15 January 2005 12:46

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I do not believe in a god, so why on earth would I make a pledge to my country "United Under God".

Not only is it offensive for me to have to declare there is a god JUST to pledge my allegiance to my country, but it is also unconstitutional.

That's right. Not only might the "new" pledge (it existed longeer without the words 'under god' than it has WITH the words added) violate the establishment clause of the US Constitution, but US Citizens are specifically protected from having to make a religious pledge for any government procedure.

Teddy Roosevelt, when he was inauggerated, refused to swear in on a Bible, citing its UNconstitutionality and it's UnAmerican implications.

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The original Pledge was drafted by a Methodist minister yet did not include the words "under God." That phrase was only added later, by Congress, to distinguish America from "godless communism."
Congress's addition is not worth defending. What distinguishes the United States from Communist societies is that we tolerate the godless and god-loving alike, not that we favor the god-loving.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/26/hamilton.pledge/

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		"...under God" By: icedog90 on Sun, 09 January 2005 16:39
		"...under God" By: Panther on Sun, 09 January 2005 16:51
		"...under God" By: icedog90 on Sun, 09 January 2005 16:54
		"...under God" By: Panther on Sun, 09 January 2005 16:58
		"...under God" By: cheesesoda on Sun, 09 January 2005 17:01
		"...under God" By: icedog90 on Sun, 09 January 2005 17:03
		"...under God" By: Majiin Vegeta on Sun, 09 January 2005 17:43
		"...under God" By: Panther on Sun, 09 January 2005 17:48
		"...under God" By: glyde51 on Sun, 09 January 2005 17:48
		"...under God" By: icedog90 on Sun, 09 January 2005 18:30
		"...under God" By: Jecht on Sun, 09 January 2005 19:21
		"...under God" By: rm5248 on Sun, 09 January 2005 19:34
		"...under God" By: icedog90 on Sun, 09 January 2005 19:52
		"...under God" By: Panther on Sun, 09 January 2005 20:18
		"...under God" By: NukeIt15 on Sun, 09 January 2005 20:37
		"...under God" By: Aircraftkiller on Sun, 09 January 2005 20:45
		"...under God" By: Fabian on Sun, 09 January 2005 20:51
		"...under God" By: glyde51 on Sun, 09 January 2005 20:56
		"...under God" By: Nodbugger on Sun, 09 January 2005 21:44
		"...under God" By: Aircraftkiller on Mon, 10 January 2005 00:17
		"...under God" By: Jecht on Mon, 10 January 2005 03:53
		"...under God" By: Spoony_old on Mon, 10 January 2005 05:04
		"...under God" By: Crimson on Mon, 10 January 2005 05:49
		"...under God" By: Doitle on Mon, 10 January 2005 06:17
		"...under God" By: glyde51 on Mon, 10 January 2005 06:54
		"...under God" By: Spoony_old on Mon, 10 January 2005 07:41
		"...under God" By: SuperMidget on Mon, 10 January 2005 08:17
		"...under God" By: NukeIt15 on Mon, 10 January 2005 10:17
		"...under God" By: Jecht on Mon, 10 January 2005 10:35
		"...under God" By: warranto on Mon, 10 January 2005 11:19
		"...under God" By: warranto on Mon, 10 January 2005 11:30
		"...under God" By: NukeIt15 on Mon, 10 January 2005 13:53
		"...under God" By: Fabian on Mon, 10 January 2005 14:59
		"...under God" By: warranto on Mon, 10 January 2005 16:22
		"...under God" By: Jecht on Mon, 10 January 2005 19:45
		"...under God" By: Sir Phoenixx on Mon, 10 January 2005 21:25
		Re: "...under God" By: Vitaminous on Tue, 11 January 2005 15:00
		Re: "...under God" By: AlostSOul on Tue, 11 January 2005 18:13
		"...under God" By: Vitaminous on Tue, 11 January 2005 22:52
		Re: "...under God" By: cheesesoda on Wed, 12 January 2005 10:24
		"...under God" By: Toolstyle on Wed, 12 January 2005 17:04
		"...under God" By: rm5248 on Wed, 12 January 2005 18:10
		"...under God" By: Hydra on Wed, 12 January 2005 19:14
		"...under God" By: Doitle on Thu, 13 January 2005 06:30
		"...under God" By: Jecht on Thu, 13 January 2005 08:14
		"...under God" By: Toolstyle on Thu, 13 January 2005 11:22
		"...under God" By: IRON FART on Thu, 13 January 2005 22:24
		"...under God" By: icedog90 on Fri, 14 January 2005 00:03
		"...under God" By: Jecht on Fri, 14 January 2005 20:22
		"...under God" By: IRON FART on Fri, 14 January 2005 20:49
		"...under God" By: Gizbotvas on Sat, 15 January 2005 12:46
		"...under God" By: Sir Phoenixx on Sat, 15 January 2005 13:08
		"...under God" By: icedog90 on Sat, 15 January 2005 15:21
		"...under God" By: bigejoe14 on Sat, 15 January 2005 18:01
		"...under God" By: cowmisfit on Sat, 15 January 2005 20:08
		"...under God" By: Hydra on Sat, 15 January 2005 21:58
		"...under God" By: warranto on Sun, 16 January 2005 00:59
		"...under God" By: Nodbugger on Sun, 16 January 2005 11:12
		"...under God" By: warranto on Sun, 16 January 2005 12:15

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