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As if we could pretend this wouldn't come around... [message #128155] Tue, 21 December 2004 12:48 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
SuperFlyingEngi is currently offline  SuperFlyingEngi
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Scamp

Use of a thesaurus doesn't really make you superior.


When did a thesaurus come into play?

Neosaber

Oh my God, the horror. Lack of sleep, unconfortable seating, listening to barking dogs, and wearing hoods. That's got to be the worst "torture" ever heard of in history. That's right up there with being beaten, raped, maimed and/or killed.

The article also keeps claiming "cover up", yet they have all these documents they got from a freedom of information lawsuit that spells all this out. Wow, that's a tremendous cover up there. Keeping records of all the incidents and releasing them to the ACLU has got to be the most insidious plot ever conceived to hide the truth from the American people. If they were really covering this up, then all the documents would have 'disappeared' before anyone at the ACLU could have got a hold of them.


"Listening to dogs" is one way of putting being attacked by them. Those are all torture methods designed to make people lose their minds. It is still torture, don't pretend it's not. I'm sure you saw those pictures from Abu Gharib. Do you believe it counts as humane action? We went into Iraq first under false claims of weapons of mass destruction which we now KNOW are not there, and then started pretending we went in for humanitarian reasons, which is not at all how war was justified, where we claim to be removing a torturer. But now, we're torturing people and pretending we're not. Not very humanitarian, if you ask me.

Yes, it is a coverup. These documents were all leaked. Right now, the ACLU is suing to ascertain whether or not there was an executive order condoning torture, of which the administration is apparently trying to cover up.

gbull


As soon as the terrorists start abiding by the Geneva conventions then We should start and not a moment beforehand.


Iraqis = Not Terrorists

I can base actions based on something? Cool.... [Re-think that section]

gbull

The fact that you put quotes around moral values doesnt surprise me.


Well, no, it doesn't surprise me either, because that was the reason stated by so many during the exit polls.

gbull


SuperFlyingEngi, your constant obsession with trying to make our President (notice the lack of qoutes) look like he is insufficient to run this country is both disturbing and absurd. The fact that I share the same country with you makes the taste of vomit form in my mouth. Whats more is your perversion of the statements that our founding fathers said I myself deem unpatriotic. I have news for you, times change and dissent is the opposite of patriotism. Have some pride in your country. You are the worst American I have ever seen.


So, I should blindly follow our leaders? No, I'm afraid that's entirely wrong. There must always remain the question in a democracy. I'm not perverting Mr. Jefferson's statement in the least. It's exactly what he meant, and the point remains. This blind "patriotism", if you can call it that, emanating from the Republican party disgusts me. Why am I a bad American? Because I chance a look at what our President does? Should I believe in what he does because you do? You obviously don't understand our political system in the least. If censorship of ideas comes, democracy leaves.


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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