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Fri, 03 December 2004 10:15

m1a1_abrams
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I think this is the second or third version of the Stealth Tank that Renardin has skinned? He's also made more than one version of most of the vehicles, starting pretty much from scratch each time from what I can tell.

Not everyone is going to like his stuff, but I think it's really unfair to suggest that he isn't trying to improve. I think what he is trying to say (please correct me Renardin if I'm wrong), is that he isn't capable of producing professional-quality work at this point in time, so there's no point in expecting that level of work from him. That's not to say that you shouldn't offer ideas on how he could improve things, but rather to be realistic about how much he can achieve right now.

From my point of view this community has really high standards with regards to what "good" work is. That could be either a good or a bad thing depending on how you look at it, but since most of the fans are incapable of producing work to the same standard as the latest professional games, it's just silly to critique their work from that perspective. Renardin in particular isn't trying to sell his work to a professional games company... he's just trying to finish a project for himself and the other people working on it. Sure, if you want to look at his stuff from the perspective of a professional company, it's not going to be good enough. However, although it may seem like finding fault in something would always help somebody to improve, it doesn't if your standards are so high as to be unattainable. You may as well just say "it's not realistic enough, it doesn't look enough like something from Doom 3, just scrap the whole thing and start again"... Reborn would never get finished if the standards were that high. You need a foundation to build on before you move onto something better. Saying that something sucks because it doesn't meet some really high standards (that simply aren't attainable at this point in time), doesn't help anything to improve.

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		"Stealth is key" By: Renardin6 on Wed, 01 December 2004 09:00
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Wed, 01 December 2004 09:02
		"Stealth is key" By: Renardin6 on Wed, 01 December 2004 09:15
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Wed, 01 December 2004 09:19
		"Stealth is key" By: Renardin6 on Wed, 01 December 2004 09:43
		"Stealth is key" By: Hav0c on Wed, 01 December 2004 10:06
		"Stealth is key" By: Jecht on Wed, 01 December 2004 11:32
		"Stealth is key" By: Oblivion165 on Wed, 01 December 2004 12:28
		"Stealth is key" By: Spice on Wed, 01 December 2004 12:39
		"Stealth is key" By: Oblivion165 on Wed, 01 December 2004 13:08
		"Stealth is key" By: Spice on Wed, 01 December 2004 13:11
		"Stealth is key" By: Oblivion165 on Wed, 01 December 2004 13:14
		"Stealth is key" By: Spice on Wed, 01 December 2004 13:16
		"Stealth is key" By: Oblivion165 on Wed, 01 December 2004 13:18
		"Stealth is key" By: Spice on Wed, 01 December 2004 13:24
		"Stealth is key" By: Oblivion165 on Wed, 01 December 2004 13:31
		"Stealth is key" By: Spice on Wed, 01 December 2004 13:44
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Wed, 01 December 2004 13:48
		"Stealth is key" By: Oblivion165 on Wed, 01 December 2004 13:58
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Wed, 01 December 2004 14:01
		"Stealth is key" By: Oblivion165 on Wed, 01 December 2004 14:03
		"Stealth is key" By: glyde51 on Wed, 01 December 2004 15:35
		"Stealth is key" By: Stryder on Wed, 01 December 2004 16:24
		"Stealth is key" By: Jaspah on Wed, 01 December 2004 17:15
		"Stealth is key" By: YSLMuffins on Wed, 01 December 2004 17:16
		"Stealth is key" By: Titan1x77 on Wed, 01 December 2004 22:25
		"Stealth is key" By: bigejoe14 on Wed, 01 December 2004 22:32
		"Stealth is key" By: Titan1x77 on Wed, 01 December 2004 22:35
		"Stealth is key" By: TeMpLaR on Thu, 02 December 2004 04:11
		"Stealth is key" By: Madtone on Thu, 02 December 2004 05:47
		"Stealth is key" By: Beanyhead on Thu, 02 December 2004 13:10
		"Stealth is key" By: YSLMuffins on Thu, 02 December 2004 15:25
		"Stealth is key" By: Spice on Thu, 02 December 2004 17:38
		"Stealth is key" By: SuperFlyingEngi on Thu, 02 December 2004 18:55
		"Stealth is key" By: Renardin6 on Thu, 02 December 2004 19:48
		"Stealth is key" By: Jecht on Fri, 03 December 2004 01:13
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Fri, 03 December 2004 06:48
		"Stealth is key" By: Renardin6 on Fri, 03 December 2004 08:56
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Fri, 03 December 2004 09:19
		"Stealth is key" By: m1a1_abrams on Fri, 03 December 2004 10:15
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Fri, 03 December 2004 10:36
		"Stealth is key" By: Renardin6 on Fri, 03 December 2004 10:52
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Fri, 03 December 2004 10:59
		"Stealth is key" By: Renardin6 on Sat, 04 December 2004 07:35
		"Stealth is key" By: Sir Phoenixx on Sat, 04 December 2004 08:58
		"Stealth is key" By: glyde51 on Sat, 04 December 2004 09:04
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Sat, 04 December 2004 09:12
		"Stealth is key" By: Renardin6 on Sat, 04 December 2004 10:33
		"Stealth is key" By: glyde51 on Sat, 04 December 2004 10:42
		"Stealth is key" By: Renardin6 on Sat, 04 December 2004 10:47
		"Stealth is key" By: glyde51 on Sat, 04 December 2004 10:50
		"Stealth is key" By: Renardin6 on Sat, 04 December 2004 10:55
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Sat, 04 December 2004 10:55
		"Stealth is key" By: glyde51 on Sat, 04 December 2004 11:01
		"Stealth is key" By: Slash0x on Sat, 04 December 2004 12:26
		"Stealth is key" By: Pendullum on Sat, 04 December 2004 15:26
		"Stealth is key" By: Naamloos on Sat, 04 December 2004 15:29
		"Stealth is key" By: Aircraftkiller on Sat, 04 December 2004 15:47
		"Stealth is key" By: Spice on Sat, 04 December 2004 18:00
		"Stealth is key" By: icedog90 on Sat, 04 December 2004 18:02
		"Stealth is key" By: glyde51 on Sat, 04 December 2004 18:06
		"Stealth is key" By: Slash0x on Sat, 04 December 2004 18:21
		"Stealth is key" By: icedog90 on Sat, 04 December 2004 18:26
		"Stealth is key" By: cowmisfit on Sat, 04 December 2004 18:26
		"Stealth is key" By: Slash0x on Sat, 04 December 2004 18:28
		"Stealth is key" By: glyde51 on Sat, 04 December 2004 18:30
		"Stealth is key" By: icedog90 on Sat, 04 December 2004 18:53
		"Stealth is key" By: Slash0x on Sat, 04 December 2004 19:09
		"Stealth is key" By: glyde51 on Sat, 04 December 2004 19:11
		"Stealth is key" By: SuperFlyingEngi on Sat, 04 December 2004 20:57
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Sat, 04 December 2004 21:00
		"Stealth is key" By: Aircraftkiller on Sat, 04 December 2004 21:00
		"Stealth is key" By: Renardin6 on Sun, 05 December 2004 07:50
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Sun, 05 December 2004 09:33
		"Stealth is key" By: Jecht on Sun, 05 December 2004 10:27
		"Stealth is key" By: Naamloos on Sun, 05 December 2004 11:35
		"Stealth is key" By: Slash0x on Sun, 05 December 2004 11:57
		"Stealth is key" By: Renardin6 on Sun, 05 December 2004 13:16
		"Stealth is key" By: glyde51 on Sun, 05 December 2004 13:18
		"Stealth is key" By: TankClash on Sun, 05 December 2004 14:05
		"Stealth is key" By: icedog90 on Sun, 05 December 2004 15:01
		"Stealth is key" By: Spice on Sun, 05 December 2004 15:41
		"Stealth is key" By: cowmisfit on Sun, 05 December 2004 18:35
		"Stealth is key" By: Jecht on Sun, 05 December 2004 20:11
		"Stealth is key" By: icedog90 on Sun, 05 December 2004 20:53
		"Stealth is key" By: Jecht on Sun, 05 December 2004 21:47
		"Stealth is key" By: icedog90 on Sun, 05 December 2004 21:52
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Sun, 05 December 2004 21:53
		"Stealth is key" By: Jecht on Sun, 05 December 2004 21:54
		"Stealth is key" By: icedog90 on Sun, 05 December 2004 22:10
		"Stealth is key" By: Jecht on Sun, 05 December 2004 22:20
		"Stealth is key" By: Slash0x on Mon, 06 December 2004 00:35
		"Stealth is key" By: Slash0x on Mon, 06 December 2004 00:44
		"Stealth is key" By: icedog90 on Mon, 06 December 2004 00:58
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Mon, 06 December 2004 07:02
		"Stealth is key" By: Jecht on Mon, 06 December 2004 08:30
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Mon, 06 December 2004 08:34
		"Stealth is key" By: Naamloos on Mon, 06 December 2004 08:43
		"Stealth is key" By: Jecht on Mon, 06 December 2004 10:57
		"Stealth is key" By: Slash0x on Mon, 06 December 2004 12:21
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Mon, 06 December 2004 12:23
		"Stealth is key" By: Slash0x on Mon, 06 December 2004 12:41
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Mon, 06 December 2004 12:51
		"Stealth is key" By: Pendullum on Mon, 06 December 2004 13:22
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Mon, 06 December 2004 13:23
		"Stealth is key" By: Spice on Mon, 06 December 2004 13:26
		"Stealth is key" By: Slash0x on Mon, 06 December 2004 13:30
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Mon, 06 December 2004 13:33
		"Stealth is key" By: Slash0x on Mon, 06 December 2004 14:49
		"Stealth is key" By: flyingfox on Mon, 06 December 2004 14:51
		"Stealth is key" By: cheesesoda on Mon, 06 December 2004 14:52
		"Stealth is key" By: WNxCABAL on Mon, 06 December 2004 15:24
		"Stealth is key" By: Aircraftkiller on Mon, 06 December 2004 15:34
		"Stealth is key" By: Lance3066 on Mon, 06 December 2004 15:47
		"Stealth is key" By: WNxCABAL on Mon, 06 December 2004 16:36
		"Stealth is key" By: icedog90 on Mon, 06 December 2004 16:46
		"Stealth is key" By: Stryder on Mon, 06 December 2004 16:49
		"Stealth is key" By: icedog90 on Mon, 06 December 2004 16:56

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