| A sad day for Republicans [message #97260] |
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In all fairness though, I'd be curious to see a movie/documentary on the Bush perspective on the Bin Laden/Saudi connection to 9/11 and the reasons on why this Iraq war is just.
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| A sad day for Republicans [message #97280] |
Fri, 25 June 2004 21:26  |
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FOXNews is rightly critical of The Propagandist, Mr. Moore. Kind of surprising to see the Clinton News Network, PMS-NBC and Communist Broadcasting Service actually have something resembling actual truth about his film as they have been slavering over it for the past couple of weeks.
A documentary is supposed to tell the truth at all times, using Actors only where the original participants are not available or do not wish to appear on camera. The Propagandist takes statements made by various individuals and edits them out of context to make it seem like they say things that they do not or worse, creates entire scenarios out of whole-cloth to push his blatant, Anti-America agenda and still passes it off as a Documentary.
There was a time when people were impressed that I have the firepower to decimate a planet in under 10 minutes.
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| A sad day for Republicans [message #97287] |
Fri, 25 June 2004 23:16 |
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't think Michael Moore is 100% correct, but he's not 100% incorrect either.
For example, the movie consistantly implies there is a connection between the Bin Laden family and the Bushes, however, if there was a 'credible' collaboration, why did 9/11 happen? That wasn't addressed. Nor do I agree with his saterizing of the 7 minutes Bush was sitting in the school. If he was alerted of an attack on American soil, would it really be that bright of an idea to jump up and say "OMG WAR TIEM BY" in front a bunch of kindergarteners? Probably not. I'd also like to know where he got the statistic saying (roughly) 11000 troops were in Afghanistan by November, because I can't seem to find anything short of 30000.
But those things aside (there are more, but I haven't mentioned them), he's certainly right about some vital things. The biggest one is Iraq's association with terrorists. Hell, he's got speechs of those big high-ups saying that Iraq was secure (prior to March 2003). On top of that, to date, there is no proof of Iraqi involvement with terrorist factions (ie Al Qaeda), and FOXnews agrees!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123051,00.html
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Bush, however, insisted Thursday that Saddam had "numerous contacts" with Al Qaeda and said Iraqi agents had met with the terror network's leader, Usama bin Laden, in Sudan.
Saddam "was a threat because he had terrorist connections — not only Al Qaeda connections, but other connections to terrorist organizations," Bush said.
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Now remember, insisting something doesn't make it true. If the President could show some evidence, then his plea is justified. Otherwise, it's only an assumption. They're no WMDs either. It questions the motives for the war when there is no ground for going to it.
Another thing that should be considered is the treatment of the ethnicities in regards to the election in 2000. I'm too tired to look up the facts on it now, but I'd bet the videos of the ethnics being scorned is awfully real.
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| A sad day for Republicans [message #97301] |
Sat, 26 June 2004 02:12 |
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Do you not realize how much documented PROOF there is of a Saddam / Al Qaeda tie?
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| A sad day for Republicans [message #97358] |
Sat, 26 June 2004 10:58 |
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Do you not realize how much documented PROOF there is of a Saddam / Al Qaeda tie?
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I pose a question to you:
Since there is no evidence tying Saddam to 9/11 (as stated by your own FOXnews stations), the war in Iraq is based on these old connections between Saddam and Bin Laden or Iraq and terrorism, right? (Not to say that old means irrelevant, of course)
If that is true, then the US war on terror justifies the Unites States to attack and invade any country that has any ties to any terrorist pretenses. That being said, what about the Mafia? Is it possible to call them terrorists?
By definition, terrorism is "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."
It's certainly not new news to know that the Mafia uses violence and intimidation to coerce societies. So why hasn't there been a shock and awe campaign in America, or (pardon my steriotype) Italy? While you can argue that the Mafia could be dealt with by small forces of cops or special ops, it is equally arguable to say that the war in Iraq (targeted at Saddam, for the most part) could have also been dealt with by special ops. Kirby will likely agree with me on that.
Just a thought.
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| A sad day for Republicans [message #97656] |
Sun, 27 June 2004 19:40 |
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C'mon Java, you're smarter than that. You should know better than to use blatnat hyperexaggeration to try and make your case.
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| A sad day for Republicans [message #97660] |
Sun, 27 June 2004 19:45 |
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Look, Clinton stood idly by while Islam-based terrorists continually attacked US interests and it culminated on 9/11/01 when they killed nearly 3000 innocent Americans. Unlike Clinton, Bush is doing something about it. It is sheer, blatant, unadulterated stupidity and ignorance to think that we should just sit here with our thumbs up our asses and continue to allow these psychopaths to kill us. QED
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| A sad day for Republicans [message #97676] |
Sun, 27 June 2004 21:00 |
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Hey, my dad was in Iraq for a year.
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Don't take what I said the wrong way. I have absolutely nothing wrong with soldiers doing their duty. They're just doing their jobs. I'm saying there is something wrong with the choices with the people at the top.
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He was stationed near one of the poorest cities in Iraq. They made Harlem look like Beverly Hills. They had no roads, schools, or clean water.
They now have that and tons more. They have business there they have food they have all new conveniences.
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Well at the same time, you're likely to see a charred baby being loaded onto a truck of dead innocents with a family crying hysterically asking Allah why it had to happen to them.
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What we did is what we knew what was going to happen.
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huh?
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These people could have either been terrorized and treated like shit for 50 more years or what is happening now. A few months of violence then after that they will be fine.
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Who said anything about allowing the tyranny to continue? The UN doesn't support terrorism. The don't (at the time) support unnecessary wars either.
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Do you know how many civilians we killed before d-day? the French death toll 30min into d-day was over 3000. People. I believe the total came to over 10000. We killed more French civilians on d-day then German soldiers.
But word war two was worth it.
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But remember, there is a difference between helping your allies and invading another country. After Pearl Harbour, the US finally decided to send some manpower in the east and retake France from an invading force. Not unlike the Gulf War, an ally is under attack, and the enemy is forced out. Iraq was not an ally in March 2003, and yet it was invaded on shakey pretenses and pick'n'choose tactics (Remember! The Mafia are still terrorists! But they're not being dealt with as harshly as Iraq is!). It's the whole "the ends don't justify the means" thing over again. Those schools, stores, roads, whatever, are all good things. But they don't justify the means that were used to get them.
And don't get me started on the torture incident.
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| A sad day for Republicans [message #97698] |
Sun, 27 June 2004 23:11 |
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I know firsthand that the Cisco Networking Academy opened up their first Iraq-based academy a few weeks ago. That's progress that I see in Iraq that I obtained not through the media and not through a fatso manipulative liar like Michael Moore.
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