| Why is it that repair units can not repair themselves? [message #96902] |
Wed, 23 June 2004 15:54  |
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gibberish
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Registered: May 2003
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Loads of games do it:
- Renegade
- Orginal C&C
- Warcraft/Starcraft
- Ground Control.
You can get a repair/medic unit that often can repair infantry, vehicles or both.
However they don't self repair (eg. Hotwire can't heal herself *).
My question is why?
In all of these games you can get two of the units and they can repair each other so as a commander it just means you always have to move them round in pairs.
If the argument is that the unit would be too powerful if you allow it to self repair why let a second identically unit repair it?
* - I know there is a C4 bug with Renegade which lets hotwire heal but it was not the intent of the original programmers.
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| C4 Bug [message #96907] |
Wed, 23 June 2004 16:19  |
conman231
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whats this c4 bug, how do u do it?
dont know
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| Why is it that repair units can not repair themselves? [message #96939] |
Wed, 23 June 2004 21:13 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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In Starcraft, it wouldn't make sense for, say, the SCV to repair itself because it would have to weld itself back together using what is basically a boom arm. And the probe just shoots lightning in front of it and stuff happens. Maybe it's beam cannon thing can only shoot straight forwards, in which case it would have to exist in two places simultaneously to work. And medics shouldn't be able to heal themselves because people only operate on themselves in movies like Ronin [OK, Robert DeNiro only helped operate on himself in this, but the point remains the same.]
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| Why is it that repair units can not repair themselves? [message #97003] |
Thu, 24 June 2004 10:02 |
flyingfox
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Registered: February 2003
Location: scotland, uk
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It's the acolyte that can heal its-self because of the blast damage from the tiberium automatic rifle it carries. The others are templar and initiate but don't go by the names on the PT extras because the acolyte and initiate are mixed up with each other. The templar carries a tiberium flechette gun and the initiate carries a chemical sprayer.
All 3 mutants can heal each other, but mutant Raveshaw and Petrova take damage from tiberium, because their armour types aren't the same (bones.ini and armour.ini deal with them and they work in conjunction with each other or some shit). If you grabbed a chemical warrior, patch or $150 sydney and fired tiberium rounds at one, it'd heal them. 
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[Scale_SkinFlameThrower]
None=1.0000
Steel=2.0000
Steel_NoBuilding=2.0000
Shrapnel=1.0000
Explosive=0.7500
Explosive_NoBuilding=0.7500
Shell=2.0000
Shell_NoBuilding=2.0000
Flamethrower=0.1000
TiberiumRaw=1.0000
TiberiumBullet=1.0000
TiberiumShrapnel=1.0000
C4=2.0000
Laser=1.0000
Laser_NoBuilding=1.0000
Repair=1.0000
IonCannon=1.0000
Nuke=1.0000
Fire=0.1000
Chem=1.0000
Electric=0.1000
Visceroid=1.0000
Earth=1.0000
RegenHealth=1.0000
BlamoKiller=10000.0000
Death=10000.0000
Harmless=0.0000
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[Scale_SkinChemWarrior]
None=1.0000
Steel=2.0000
Steel_NoBuilding=2.0000
Shrapnel=1.0000
Explosive=0.7500
Explosive_NoBuilding=0.7500
Shell=2.0000
Shell_NoBuilding=2.0000
Flamethrower=1.0000
TiberiumRaw=0.0000
TiberiumBullet=0.1000
TiberiumShrapnel=0.0500
C4=2.0000
Laser=1.0000
Laser_NoBuilding=1.0000
Repair=1.0000
IonCannon=1.0000
Nuke=1.0000
Fire=1.0000
Chem=0.1000
Electric=1.0000
Visceroid=1.0000
Earth=1.0000
RegenHealth=1.0000
BlamoKiller=10000.0000
Death=10000.0000
Harmless=0.0000
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[Scale_SkinMutant]
None=1.0000
Steel=0.5000
Steel_NoBuilding=0.5000
Shrapnel=0.5000
Explosive=1.0000
Explosive_NoBuilding=1.0000
Shell=1.0000
Shell_NoBuilding=1.0000
Flamethrower=1.0000
TiberiumRaw=-4.0000
TiberiumBullet=-2.5000
TiberiumShrapnel=-1.0000
C4=2.0000
Laser=1.0000
Laser_NoBuilding=1.0000
Repair=1.0000
IonCannon=1.0000
Nuke=1.0000
Fire=1.0000
Chem=-4.0000
Electric=1.0000
Visceroid=1.0000
Earth=1.0000
RegenHealth=1.0000
BlamoKiller=10000.0000
Death=10000.0000
Harmless=0.0000
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What this means is, for example, a mutant coming up against a laser would do normal laser damage to him, hence the 1.0 ratio. If a ratio is 1.0, it means the warhead will do standard damage. If it is less than 1.0, the warhead will do less damage than usual, and if above 1.0, do more damage than usual. If a ratio is in the negatives, it will actually heal the character. Here are a few facts.
Coming up against explosives, flamethrowers and chemical warriors take less damage than usual.
You would have to fire 10 rounds of flame at a flamethrower to do the equivelant of 1 flame normal damage. So, you would have to fire a whole clip of flame rounds at a flamethrower to do the equivelant of 10 flames against normal skin to him. You can see how effective this is.
Mutants have more self defence against tank shells and shrapnel than normal soldiers. In fact, they both do half the damage to mutants as they do to soldiers.
If you picked up a chemical sprayer and attacked a chemical warrior with it, it would do absolutely nothing to him.
Flamethrowers don't take more damage from chemical based weapons than normal. Vice versa, chemical warriors and mutants don't take more damage than normal from a flamethrower.
Unless of course you decide to be cheap and modify the file
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| Re: C4 Bug [message #97304] |
Sat, 26 June 2004 02:50 |
weetbix
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Registered: May 2003
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i wonder if anybody still has my video i made of that
c4fit it was called and i deleted it on this computer
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If thats the one with TwaAudi (as a Hotwire in the Barracks and a Nod Engineer diffusing the C4 on his head) in it then I have it.
It's one of the few videos that I've kept after downloading.
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| Re: Why is it that repair units can not repair themselves? [message #97336] |
Sat, 26 June 2004 09:13 |
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npsmith82
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Registered: February 2003
Location: England, UK
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Loads of games do it:
- Ground Control.
You can get a repair/medic unit that often can repair infantry, vehicles or both.
However they don't self repair (eg. Hotwire can't heal herself *).
My question is why?
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The combat engineer vehicle in Ground Control 2, can repair infantry, vehicles and himself. Just place it in deploy mode.
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