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Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91724] Tue, 01 June 2004 18:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He hit the art there, you can hit an arty behind the hill in right places, although very hard to do in a med while moving when the art is too

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Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91768] Tue, 01 June 2004 21:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I applaud you for posting videos, but this reinforces what we've already said.

Flyingfox: About the arty missing you and still killing you - chalk it up to lag and uber netcode. Happens all the time, especially with arties. I do that to people a lot on our server and I am always rewarded with a hearty WTF after they die in one shot. On my screen, I blasted their body into pieces at close range, but on their screen they were probably inside my minimum range or I shot past them. It works both ways, too... I've had times where I've clearly hit people right in the body from about 15-25 feet out and I do no damage to them until they get *farther* away, then they die in one shot.


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Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91775] Tue, 01 June 2004 22:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I knew the code was bad, but I didn't know it could be that bad. Bah, I wish it was as good as modern games. I always go Mad when rushes fail because vehicles get hung up on things and slaughtered.

Well, thanks. I'll take back my accusation, sorry.
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91792] Wed, 02 June 2004 01:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It doesn't count then because I got out to heal? So did the artillery driver. And an arty can be teched to full faster than a med, not to mention the only suitable place for me to heal was on the tiberium field.

And PLEASE stfu about the mammoth/pistol issue, all of you. Start a new topic.
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91794] Wed, 02 June 2004 01:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It can only be repaired to full armor in less time because it has less armor than the Medium Tank does, with a different armor class. Even if you had a vehicle that had 80 points of armor, it doesn't really matter. What does matter is if the repair rate outpaces the rate of damage.
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91801] Wed, 02 June 2004 03:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Fair point, but the reason an arty usually beats a med at the entrance to Nod base on Field (Assuming the drivers are pretty evenly matched in terms of tankskill) is the arty fixes quicker.

Only vehicles a Hotwire/Tech can heal over are lighttank (non-rav), APC (non-PIC), humvee/buggy and orca/apache machineguns
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91830] Wed, 02 June 2004 08:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The test was skewed because you were already on the field in a suitable position (i.e. behind cover in this case) when the med drove out. You had a hill to hide behind while he didn't. You could have camped even farther back so that he couldn't even hit you, in which case the med has no chance, which is what we've been saying all along. In a situation like that the med is going to lose every time.

If you do that test out in the open, say on Under, and have both people drive out at the same time, the arty's not going to fare near as well.

Again, I think it's cool you made some videos, but all you're doing is reinforcing what we've said already: arties do a lot of damage but are fragile.


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Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91846] Wed, 02 June 2004 10:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ahh, the medication will lose. Poor, poor medication...

Oh, I'm sorry, did you mean "Medium Tank?"
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91849] Wed, 02 June 2004 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Priest, if you're not convinced, I'll make another fraps. This time I'll let a med tank move up and start hitting my Hand, then move out from my base and take him on. No range advantage and no hill for me to hide behind.
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91851] Wed, 02 June 2004 10:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Good old medical tank...
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91852] Wed, 02 June 2004 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Aircraftkiller

Good old medical tank...


Yours, or his?


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Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91853] Wed, 02 June 2004 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Priest, if you're not convinced, I'll make another fraps. This time I'll let a med tank move up and start hitting my Hand, then move out from my base and take him on. No range advantage and no hill for me to hide behind.

you're right - no hill... just A WALL.

spoony, you've still got cover if you do that. and that's the whole point. artilleries are great IF YOU HAVE COVER (or engineer support).

out in the open, an artillery will get torn apart. *maybe* it will survive 1v1, but if there are 2 enemies, that arty will die in seconds. and it's rare that there's only 1 enemy around.

also, just look back at those videos you made. when you were in the arty, you won, but just barely. when you were in the med, though, you won quite handily. doesn't that suggest that a med tank is better 1v1, but you won both times because you're a better tank driver than the guy you made those videos with?


oh, and ACK, what's the big deal about calling a medium tank a "med?"
YOU once said the following:
Aircraftkiller

Looking at the fact that he got his point across... and it was perfectly legible...
if getting one's point across is really all that matters, why do you make such a big deal out of things like "med" or "skin" or the like? and if tiny little things like that ARE a big deal, then why did you yell at Deathgod for making fun of someone's bad grammar in a different thread a couple weeks ago?

also, according to medi-lexicon, an online medical abbreviations dictionary, med is an accepted abbreviation for the following: medial, median, medication, medicine, medical, MEDIUM. if you can't figure out that 'med' is supposed to mean 'medium' (which is obviously short for 'medium tank') in deathgod's post, you probably shouldn't be talking so much.
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91854] Wed, 02 June 2004 11:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I said that, but it doesn't mean I approved of his garbage writing.

"med" is short for "medical," not "medium." It cannot take that much effort to type out Medium Tank; seeing as how it took me less than a second.
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91855] Wed, 02 June 2004 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That arguement is only valid if the "med" slang usage is misleading, or detracting to the agrument at hand.

I fail to see how using abbreviation one time, has any bearing on the issue at hand, which is the survivability of a Mobile Artillery, versus a Medium tank.

If he was typing " so then i got in my med at the med facility and met this med student getting into his med sized medical med"

Then there's a problem.

How about adding useful, and supporting info to a constructive arguement rather than trolling for spelling errors?


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Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91857] Wed, 02 June 2004 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"med" is short for "medical," not "medium."


did you actually read my entire post? i looked up 'med' in a MEDICAL DICTIONARY, and it said that it was an accepted abbreviation for a number of things, one of which was 'medium.'

'med' happens to be one of those things that can mean more than one thing depending on its use. you're supposed to use these things called "context clues" to figure out which meaning it's using.

god, ACK. do us all a favor and go back to 3rd grade to learn how to read.
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91869] Wed, 02 June 2004 13:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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god, ACK. do us all a favor and go back to 3rd grade to learn how to read.


If you haven't figured it out by now, I know how to read... And I don't care enough about this topic to read your entire post and make a useful reply. I'm here to stir up shit, just like the point of this topic was.

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How about adding useful, and supporting info to a constructive arguement rather than trolling for spelling errors?


No. In this topic I feel like being an "all around instigator."
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91880] Wed, 02 June 2004 14:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Aircraftkiller

I said that, but it doesn't mean I approved of his garbage writing.

"med" is short for "medical," not "medium." It cannot take that much effort to type out Medium Tank; seeing as how it took me less than a second.


You know, it takes me roughly the same amount of time to type out "you're a fag" and "FAG" but I far prefer the latter. Using 2 words to say something you could say in one is wasteful. I also find it amusing when you do shit like this, because you do the same thing. You should hold to your own standards, maybe then people wouldn't think you were a hypocrite.


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Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91881] Wed, 02 June 2004 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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spoonyrat

Priest, if you're not convinced, I'll make another fraps. This time I'll let a med tank move up and start hitting my Hand, then move out from my base and take him on. No range advantage and no hill for me to hide behind.


I don't need convincing, I know what an arty can do. I also know what a good med tank driver can do, and what support can do as well. All of these tests, no matter what sorts of rules we set down for them, will be skewed, because they're not taking place in an actual game with other people involved in the fight. Rarely do you see one on one vehicle battles in Ren, except maybe in a 2v2 game. Playing Theorygade doesn't really accomplish anything.


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Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91888] Wed, 02 June 2004 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Aircraftkiller

I said that, but it doesn't mean I approved of his garbage writing.

"med" is short for "medical," not "medium." It cannot take that much effort to type out Medium Tank; seeing as how it took me less than a second.


You know, it takes me roughly the same amount of time to type out "you're a fag" and "FAG" but I far prefer the latter. Using 2 words to say something you could say in one is wasteful. I also find it amusing when you do shit like this, because you do the same thing. You should hold to your own standards, maybe then people wouldn't think you were a hypocrite.


The thing is, I am holding to my own standards... You're just being a "FAG" and reading what you want to read. Smile
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91903] Wed, 02 June 2004 16:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not likely, friend. Standards are static. Your behavior is not, but it is inflammatory as you said earlier. If your sole purpose for posting in this thread is to be a dickwad, more power to you.

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Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91907] Wed, 02 June 2004 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh, the irony of this all...
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91912] Wed, 02 June 2004 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't need convincing, I know what an arty can do.

No, you don't. No one in FUD does, which is why whenever you get raped by a skilled arty player, you play the "OGM U CAN HOLD A MOUSE BUTTON DOWN ALL GAME U R SO 1337!!!?!?!?!" card. No-one who understands tankskill says that.
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It takes skill to hold a bead on a moving vehicle or soldier, even though the Artillery itself is a very unbalanced and stupid unit... It should be firing a ballistic projectile that flies in an arc, taking much more skill to aim and use.
Med tank vs Artillery Fraps [message #91919] Wed, 02 June 2004 16:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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While not disagreeing with you on the way the nod arty SHOULD fire (In fact I'm fond of the way the renalert artillery works) I'm saying that if anything, body/headshotting with tanks takes more skill than with, say, a sniper rifle since you have to account for timing. Even more so with Artillery since you've got the inaccuracy to deal with.
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"snipers" take very little skill to use. They're so powerful that it's laughable to think that they require any form of advance skill in aiming.
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