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| Ladies and Gentlemen We Have Gas! [message #88134] |
Mon, 17 May 2004 12:53   |
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NukeIt15
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Registered: February 2003
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You know how fast this is gonna get burried under mountains of crap? Bet this doesn't even get the front page in tomorrow's paper.
You know it was there, I know it was there, anyone with a little common sense knows it was there, but idiots will still ignore the blatantly obvious, and the media will continue to feed them what they want to hear.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Ladies and Gentlemen We Have Gas! [message #88211] |
Mon, 17 May 2004 18:54 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Registered: November 2003
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The media won't even report it except that it's the front story on FOX's website.
That roadside bomb with the traces of Sarin gas was so concentrated that it gave everyone near the area a slight headache. Supposedly it was made with a bunch of stale old ingredients, where someone figured how to make the gas from other substances.
The fast that a year after Saddam was toppled, fundamentalists are detonating a bomb with traces of Saren gas doesn't constitute going to war with Iraq.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Ladies and Gentlemen We Have Gas! [message #88224] |
Mon, 17 May 2004 19:28 |
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Crimson
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Location: Phoenix, AZ
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It was on CNN for about 10 minutes as a link on the home page.
No matter how much we find, it will never be enough for the libs.
I'm the bawss.
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| Ladies and Gentlemen We Have Gas! [message #88230] |
Mon, 17 May 2004 19:54 |
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Hydra
Messages: 827
Registered: September 2003
Location: Atlanta, GA
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That roadside bomb with the traces of Sarin gas was so concentrated that it gave everyone near the area a slight headache.
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Would you have liked it if the agent was more potent and there were more serious casualties and maybe even a death? :rolleyes:
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Supposedly it was made with a bunch of stale old ingredients, where someone figured how to make the gas from other substances.
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The ingredients dated back to Saddam's regime.
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The fact that a year after Saddam was toppled, fundamentalists are detonating a bomb with traces of Saren gas doesn't constitute going to war with Iraq.
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Gee, where do you think they got the sarin from, huh?
It also turns out that some mustard gas was found a few weeks ago as well. Just where do you think they got that shit from, hmm?
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
God be with you, Uncle Wally.
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| Ladies and Gentlemen We Have Gas! [message #88407] |
Tue, 18 May 2004 12:48 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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hydra: A year after Saddam's regime was toppled, a canister of Sarin gas could come from any neighbouring country.
K9: I'm interested as in how Sarin needs to be fired from a gun to mix itself properly. Could you clue me in, since you so obviously researched the topic?
hydra again: Iraq is not a walled off country now. A soda can's worth of nerve agent does not mean that it's obvious Saddam had WMD stockpiles. And a shell with traces of mustard gas could come from anywhere, as well. It would be a little more telling if these had been discovered maybe a year ago and in slightly larger quantities. It barely means anything now. If we had found a room underground stocked with many gallons of nerve agents and other WMDs, those probably would have come from Saddam's regime. But anyone can put a chemical in a soda can aand walk across a border.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Ladies and Gentlemen We Have Gas! [message #88447] |
Tue, 18 May 2004 14:42 |
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NukeIt15
Messages: 987
Registered: February 2003
Location: Out to lunch
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155 mm is quite large. That is 15.5 cm wide, or about 6.33 inches. Larger than the 120mm shells fired from the largest main battle tanks, and larger than the standard 5" naval guns mounted on ships. And much larger than a soda can, which is usually around 4-5 inches in diameter. In other words, nothing to sneeze at. Especially when it only takes a very small amount of nerve agent to kill.
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If we had found a room underground stocked with many gallons of nerve agents and other WMDs, those probably would have come from Saddam's regime.
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See, this is an idiotic, yet common misconception. People expect to find clearly labelled bunkers full of WMD's all in one place. The US never did that(back before our chemical weapons program was dismantled), nor did the former USSR, so what makes you think Saddam would have been that stupid? You have a clear picture in your mind of what weapons of mass destruction "should" look like, but what you don't realize is that reality is rarely as simple. Have you ever considered the possibility that Saddam mixed in small quantities of chemical warfare shells with conventional arms? We might only find the occasional WMD with each stockpile uncovered. Does that mean they were not there? No, they just weren't there in obvious locations.
Obviously, they WERE there- this shell had Iraqi markings on it, not those of some other country, and the shell had obviously been in the country for some time(like, over a decade). Funny how when the evidence plants itself firmly in front of your face you still deny its existence.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| Ladies and Gentlemen We Have Gas! [message #88450] |
Tue, 18 May 2004 15:03 |
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DBB
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The shells were not labeled. Hence why Haans Blix and the other inspectors dont bother with them. They were dumb enough to look at the labeled ones, and left the unlabeled alone. Dumb dumb dumb dumb!
All the munitions weve found/took so far is giogn to take 10 years to explode. Thats a nice little fact for you.
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| Ladies and Gentlemen We Have Gas! [message #88634] |
Wed, 19 May 2004 08:53 |
KIRBY098
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If we had found a room underground stocked with many gallons of nerve agents and other WMDs, those probably would have come from Saddam's regime.
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See, this is an idiotic, yet common misconception. People expect to find clearly labelled bunkers full of WMD's all in one place. The US never did that(back before our chemical weapons program was dismantled), nor did the former USSR, so what makes you think Saddam would have been that stupid?
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Um, speaking as another veteran, and as someone who was around stockpiles of WMD's, yes we did. And so did the former Soviet Union.
WMD's have special lockers, bunkers, and storage facilities where eevrything IS carefully labelled, catalogued, and stored in hermetically controlled environments, and in the Navy they were gaurded by Marines with orders to kill.
And if you think we dismantled that program, you need to re-evaluate your media sources.
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| Ladies and Gentlemen We Have Gas! [message #88653] |
Wed, 19 May 2004 11:54 |
JadenStriker
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Uh, in america, yeah we would have those polices for protection of our people and the enviroment and to keep them from being used against us, but when it comes to saddam or terroist regems it is a diffrent story. They are not likely to have any where near the safty standers we have, so stockpile rooms are more likely to be used as a spoof when it comes to saddam or other terroist. They know our safty laws and they would exepcet us to search secure facilities made with safty standerds in mind, so that would be the last place saddam or terroist would store them. They don't care about their own peoples safty and are gunning to kill us, so they are very unlikely to follow safty standerds concering WMD like we would.
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| Ladies and Gentlemen We Have Gas! [message #88801] |
Wed, 19 May 2004 16:43 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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DarkDemin: If you're gonna have a Bush/Cheney banner, I'm gonna have a Kerry banner. The End. BTW: Your sig and avvy are more "gay-ass" than mine.
Moving on...
Wee, we found a mortar shell with Sarin gas in it. This obviously proves Bush's case for Saddam having Weapons of Mass Destruction. But didn't Bush say that Iraq was an imminent threat to us? What was Saddam going to do, lob mortar rounds over the ocean with precision and hit Times Square? And, of course there are going to be mortar rounds with chemical agents in them, Saddam already dismantled more than 3,000 mortar shells [rough estimate] already in broad daylight under the UN, there's pretty much no way he could get all of them. Him posing a threat is being able to say:
Saddam: Get me a thousand chemical mortar rounds to fire at Israel
Arab: Ok
This is what would more likely happen in 2000:
Saddam: Get me a thousand chemical mortar rounds to fire at Israel
Arab: Uh, well, you see, we don't actually know where they are any more. We, uh, kind of dismantled most of them and now we just have some lying around in bunkers where it's anyone's guess.
And so we come in with our big bad army under the leadership of amateurs who don't even bother to secure all of Saddam's old armories, and so all the Arabs come and grab themselves some heavy ordnance. Who would have guessed? It's only what people do when radical government reform is taking place and there is very little real law. So now, all those old chemical shells are buried in people's yards, because people bury explosives they steal. So, for the next ten years, we're going to have people who forget about bombs in their yard and blow up chemicals when they drive over them with a riding mower. So we're going to keep finding these things for a while. In France, farmers are still blowing up from shells people buried on their land from WWII.
And someone can always bring a 6.3 diameter cylinder full of Sarin across the loosely guarded border.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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