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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87570] Fri, 14 May 2004 16:48 Go to next message
Javaxcx
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Why not concentrate on obvious issues such as the issues with several stuctures that have PTs which can be accessed outside the building.

You all know what I'm talking about.



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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87585] Fri, 14 May 2004 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SuperFlyingEngi is currently offline  SuperFlyingEngi
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What does it matter? I say fix more obvious things like swapping out helicopter guns and making choppers actually worth something instead of being able to buy stuff outside certain buildings that only some people know about. Now, if you could put C4 on a building from the outside, that would be a different thing....

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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87590] Fri, 14 May 2004 17:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, look at it this way:

If you're on GDI, in Field, and someone attempts to nuke your barracks from behind, and you're just a mere engineer, and say this person is an LCG troop. That engineer has potentially unlimited life and C4. It just takes a quick "E --> 5" button combonation to get totally healed.

I don't know about you, but unlimited C4 concerns me a bit more than someone whining about why they suck as a pilot.



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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87602] Fri, 14 May 2004 18:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mrpirate is currently offline  mrpirate
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You mean PTs, not MCTs, I think.

I know you shouldn't be able to use PTs from outside the structures, but "fixing" it would change the way the game is played, so I am against this idea.
Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87606] Fri, 14 May 2004 18:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just fucking leave it its not a big problem I hardly see anyone using it to give them some sort of great advantage and worry about REAL bugs.
Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87607] Fri, 14 May 2004 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SuperFlyingEngi is currently offline  SuperFlyingEngi
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Java, it's a fairly well founded fact that aircraft have limited use in Renegade with snipers destroying them if they have line of sight. It's not being a sucky pilot. And your scenario is about 1 in 50, while choppers get shot down by snipers rathr unfairly on basically every flying map. While I say the PT thing should be changed, it shouldn't get unique preference over major balance issues.

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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87612] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not going to argue with you about snipers and aircraft. There is another topic for that all the issues have been raised.

There are actual serious bugs, (and yes, this IS a bug which should be fixed) and this thread was INTENDED to address them.

Mrpirate: Yes, thanks, PTs.



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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87613] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Who cares? Aircraft are more important than some PT exploits. Sniper damage versus aircraft is too powerful, it needs to be removed completely and alternate AA weapons be added.
Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87614] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Javaxcx

I'm not going to argue with you about snipers and aircraft. There is another topic for that all the issues have been raised.




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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87616] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SuperFlyingEngi is currently offline  SuperFlyingEngi
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Then what's this topic for? Debating whether or not BlackHand Studios should take preference to bugs like the PT bug over othe things, which include balance issues, which include helicopters dieing to snipers. If you want PT bug fixings to come before gameplay balances, then shouldn't you provide adequate reasons for why it is more important than other things, like helicopters?

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"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87622] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Check Blazer's "list" topic at the top of this thread. Do you see PT exploits? I sure don't. I personally find it very agrivating when I'm trying to snipe someone on GDI in Mesa only to have them run back a few steps and get a full refill. This is but one bug I have off the top of my memory that needs to be addressed and that is not on Blazer's list.

Whereas your argument is that balance issues with snipers and aircraft need to be addressed first. Since your aircraft argument applies to only two official levels, and these exploits often appear in many various forms in almost every level, don't you think that fixing these ACTUAL flaws in the game should be addressed over the subjective idea that snipers are overpowered?
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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87625] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SuperFlyingEngi is currently offline  SuperFlyingEngi
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Uh....ACK's on my side, I win.

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"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)

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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87627] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aircraftkiller is currently offline  Aircraftkiller
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Your idea that the PT accessibility on the outside of some structures is subjective, too. Don't pull that shit out, anything is subjective if you only present half-truths.
Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87630] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, it is subjective. But I ask you how many people would say "HMMMMZZZZ I LIEK DIS EXPLIOT LEVE IT ALONE"?


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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87632] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SuperFlyingEngi is currently offline  SuperFlyingEngi
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Make a polling thread.

And I have another question for you:

Do you like feeling omnipotent with a sniper rifle, Java?


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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87637] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I use the 500 credit snipers. And as such, I don't waste my ammo on aircraft. So I have no need for omnipotence with one.


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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87638] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Personally I just find it annoying when I'm trying to support the land units with a flying unit like on City_Flying and some n00bjet-Havoc/Sakura or any common sniper unit force me to go land in my base to repair.

Destroying vehicles with snipers is stupid, some people might see a balance issue if n00bjets get fixed, but the addition of anti-air base defences to the game should spice things up, not to mention rocket launchers getting heat-seeking rockets (might be wrong on this one, haven't really heard about it).

Yes, the purchase terminal exploit is also part of a problem, I support the fixing of both things, I don't see why we're arguing over two things that NEED to be fixed in a future patch.

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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87641] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The pt bug can drastically change game-play, but I still don't think it as much of a burden as other things can be. It would really change some parts of gameplay if those were blocked off.
Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87642] Fri, 14 May 2004 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Java doesn't pointwhore on aircraft; as a whole, our clan frowns upon crap like that.

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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87650] Fri, 14 May 2004 20:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Shooting an aircraft doesn't constitute "pointwhoring"... shooting a tank, yes
Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87653] Fri, 14 May 2004 20:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Point whoring is a term that idiots like to use when they can't figure out that shooting things is the entire reason you're playing, unless we're supposed to have a tea party and not fire at buildings to end it.

Shooting at aircraft all game will give you MVP more often than not, the aircraft give off insane amounts of points, almost comparable to shooting a Stealth Tank with a n00b cannon.
Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87657] Fri, 14 May 2004 21:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Unless it's to reveal (which can also be done with a pistol) the cloaked stealth unit that is trying to squish you like peanut butter for the simple reason of ALARMING the teammates moving around you but not close enough to see it.

Rarely happens, though.


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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87675] Fri, 14 May 2004 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I believe one receives 30 points for hitting an Orca or Apache with a n00b cannon, and 22 points for hitting a Stealth Tank with a n00b cannon.
Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #87718] Sat, 15 May 2004 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is a bug and it should be fixed. (Even though I use it a lot in Canyon and CityFlying)

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Serious bugs > Subjective balance issues [message #88583] Wed, 19 May 2004 02:07 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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JAVA!! DON'T YOU GET IT??? THIS PEOPLE WILL NOT SAY YES UNLESS IT BENEFITS THEM!!

'changing the pt bug would drastically affect gameplay'

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

CHANGING THE DAMAGE DONE BY HAVOCS AND SAKURAS AND MAKING GUNNER MISSLES HOME WOULD ALSO DRASTICALLY AFFECT GAMEPLAY. THE INSANE DAMAGE DONE TO AIRCRAFT MUST BE CHANGED CAUSE I FLY!! AND ITS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PT BUG BECAUSE I USE OUTSIDE PTS AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE GONE!!!!!!!!1111111

you plant a nuke behind bar, here comes along a havoc. It kills you with 10 seconds left. with no hotwire or engi in sight You're thinking ha no way its gonna get disarmed. But the havoc accesses the back barracks pt. Changes to hotwire. disarms beacons.

Owned. This, is by far as important as the so called n00b damage as it is PREETY OBVIOUS WESTWOOD DID NOT WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS PTS FROM OUTSIDE as opposed to all the assumptions that havoc and saks are not AA/AV units.


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