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Duke of Nukes is currently offline  Duke of Nukes
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All weekend...UNServ will be running mod maps. all maps can be downloaded from http://www.renmaps.com

1. Boxed In
2. siege
3. tiberium temple
4. hangmans canyon
5. mines
6. secret base
7. dawn patrol 2
8. conquest island
9. delta
10. Tropics
11. River Canyon
12. Duel Death
13. Gigantomachy

It will be a 10 player server. Rules will be posted later...although our rules are usually and probably wont change from these:

No tunnel beaconing - No base to base - No afk/idle players - No team vehicle stealing - No being a 'pointwh0re' - Respect the mods/admins - Dont abuse the poll system

UPDATE: Tropics, Duel Death and Dawn Patrol 2 were replaced by Caverns and Ruins


I dont care if you write me a letter
I dont care what you say to me no more
All I got is trash left at my door
What you have dont worry me, worry me now more
- Calvin Baty, Craving Theo

What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end
You could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
- Trent Reznor, NIN

[Updated on: Sat, 22 March 2003 07:54]

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1. Boxed In - Crap
2. siege - Needs two bugs fixed but never will get fixed
3. tiberium temple - Crap
4. hangmans canyon - Crap
6. secret base - Can't say I like it all that much
7. dawn patrol 2 - Crap
8. conquest island - Needs the Repair Facility "1,000 points at death" bug fixed
9. delta - Crap
10. Tropics - Gotta fix the vis bugs eventually
12. Duel Death - Crap
13. Gigantomachy - Not enjoyable or good looking
UNServ Mod Maps (updated) [message #8380] Thu, 20 March 2003 20:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gee the only map that isnt crap is the one you made.I wonder why you would think that.

Disclaimer-Im not refuting the fact that some of those maps arent crap.


Ack: "My map is cool and stuff"
All: "No it's not, it drops FPS and causes choppiness and what not"
Ack: "you just mad cause i pwn you"
Announcer: "Thickheaded?"

~Raven
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Gee, find someone besides SomeRhino and myself who produces quality maps and your statement will hold water.
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Quality according to who?Cause obviously no ones opinion but your own matters. :rolleyes:

Ack: "My map is cool and stuff"
All: "No it's not, it drops FPS and causes choppiness and what not"
Ack: "you just mad cause i pwn you"
Announcer: "Thickheaded?"

~Raven
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Well, once again, four years of experience in doing maps makes my opinion weigh a lot more than most people outside of professional gaming companies.

Guess what the gaming companies believe? Quality, fun, and good graphics on maps.

Not the kind of shit that most Renegade maps are made of which aren't mine or SomeRhino's.
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I wholeheartingly agree.

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your right ACK...forget what the people that play the game like...I'm all that matters. You sound like the stereotype of a fashion designer...no one would ever wear it...but hey...it's fashion. I've been in the fashion industry for the past 15 years...and since you have never been to a fashion show, you know nothing about it.

This was not meant to be a flame war. If you dont like the maps...then dont play on them. it's as simple as that...no one is even asking that you do...because...quite frankly...most of us dont enjoy your company


I dont care if you write me a letter
I dont care what you say to me no more
All I got is trash left at my door
What you have dont worry me, worry me now more
- Calvin Baty, Craving Theo

What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end
You could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
- Trent Reznor, NIN
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your right ACK...forget what the people that play the game like...I'm all that matters. You sound like the stereotype of a fashion designer...no one would ever wear it...but hey...it's fashion. I've been in the fashion industry for the past 15 years...and since you have never been to a fashion show, you know nothing about it.

This was not meant to be a flame war. If you dont like the maps...then dont play on them. it's as simple as that...no one is even asking that you do...because...quite frankly...most of us dont enjoy your company


1. I don't care about fashion. What you said is irrelevant.

2. I don't care if you enjoy my company. As you said, "This is the Internet... I don't care if you people like me or not."
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Duke of Nukes is currently offline  Duke of Nukes
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it's an analogy...perhaps you've heard of one?

you : maps :: Fashion designer : clothes


I dont care if you write me a letter
I dont care what you say to me no more
All I got is trash left at my door
What you have dont worry me, worry me now more
- Calvin Baty, Craving Theo

What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end
You could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
- Trent Reznor, NIN
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Well, once again, four years of experience in doing maps makes my opinion weigh a lot more than most people outside of professional gaming companies.

Guess what the gaming companies believe? Quality, fun, and good graphics on maps.

Not the kind of shit that most Renegade maps are made of which aren't mine or SomeRhino's.


Yea that's correct.

For example.

You see i've been making hamburgers for years. I started when I was 7 years old and have been doing them for many many years. These fast food places burn there hamburgers or over cook there hamburgers so there dry (Myopinion). That's why I make better hamburgers then fast food places(Myopinion), or my family and friends (Myopinion). That is my opinion. And because my hambergers are better then anyone elses (Myopinion), and i've been making them longer then most people, the only opinion that matters is myn (Myopinion). Because my hamburgers are better (Myopinion).

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And because you have been making maps for 4 years, not many people have that experience. Except old dead Westwood. Your opinions are the only ones that matters. Nobody elses. What people think of your maps, even if noone ever plays them because they think they suck, so it sits on a server available to donwload but nobody wants them because they suck, still the only opinion about that map is yours. <--- run on sentence.

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Another example.

So let’s say I work at a restaurant. And I sell my hamburgers. And someone comes up to me who has tasted my hamburgers, and says it sucks, well why should I care my opinion is the only one that matters. A little while later, 5 different other people told me that they didn’t like the restaurants hamburgers, they suck. The lead Chef comes up to me and says, what are you doing to your hamburgers? I say I'm just adding a little this a little that. He says don't add that, that’s what’s making it taste bad. I would say, that’s your opinion, I've been making hamburgers longer then you. He says no you haven’t, I said when did you start making hamburgers? He says his dad taught him when he was 12. I said well I was making hamburgers with my dad since I was 7. He says ok well, whatever, just don’t add that. I go no, I will add whatever I want, because I am making the hamburgers, and I think they taste good, and nobody else’s opinion matters but mine. He says I need to stop adding that, he is losing business, 3 other peole had said they wernt comming back because of the food. Well I say, No, because I think they taste good. And you’re not going change my mind.

I end up getting fired, because I only cared what I thought about the hamburgers, not what the other people thought about the hamburgers, and not listening to my boss. I didn't try and improve or take away the ingredient I was adding because I was to ignorant, and not open minded. And the only opinion that mattered was mine.

Have you ever had a job ACK? A real job? Where you took orders? Where nobody wanted to listen to your opinion. Or cared what you think, they just want you to shutup and do your damn job. Well... have you ever really had a job?

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Yep it is the internet.Its also the only place you have friends I bet.Oh well.Guess well have to live with him being here.Not like he does much.Good or bad.All he does is make a map every now and then which honestly how many of us play that map more than a handful of times?Only server that even uses them is the pits.

Ack: "My map is cool and stuff"
All: "No it's not, it drops FPS and causes choppiness and what not"
Ack: "you just mad cause i pwn you"
Announcer: "Thickheaded?"

~Raven
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What an asinine analogy, IceSentry. Not only does this have nothing to do with hamburgers, I also listen what people said. If I didn't, how can I berate them for having ignorant opinions?

The reason my maps are popular, played often, and landed me a spot on Renegade's dev team is because of what I believe.

I listen to what people say.
I observe how maps are done in many different games.
I accept quality suggestions that have been thought-out and aren't a waste of time to read.

See, the thing is, you don't know about that. You don't pay attention to anything but your hatred of everything I do and stand for. You make assumptions about me that have no grounding in reality, then attempt to proliferate those opinions to others because you can't stand alone against me, yet I often stand alone against you and your cronies who've been brainwashed to oppose anything I do or say.

Hey, that's perfectly fine. If you have to convert people to your way of thinking by intimidating them and making them believe lies because you're a loser and are unable to accomplish anything (No one outside of these forums have heard of IceSentry. I know I haven't, and I hear about a lot of people.) in your fucked up little online life.

So, keep it up... I'll keep working on maps, keep learning more about 3D level design, and eventually land a job working for a large company. BTW, I feel sorry for myself. I'll have to help pay the taxes for your prison cell. :rolleyes:
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What an asinine analogy, IceSentry. Not only does this have nothing to do with hamburgers, I also listen what people said. If I didn't, how can I berate them for having ignorant opinions?

The reason my maps are popular, played often, and landed me a spot on Renegade's dev team is because of what I believe.

I listen to what people say.
I observe how maps are done in many different games.
I accept quality suggestions that have been thought-out and aren't a waste of time to read.

See, the thing is, you don't know about that. You don't pay attention to anything but your hatred of everything I do and stand for. You make assumptions about me that have no grounding in reality, then attempt to proliferate those opinions to others because you can't stand alone against me, yet I often stand alone against you and your cronies who've been brainwashed to oppose anything I do or say.

Hey, that's perfectly fine. If you have to convert people to your way of thinking by intimidating them and making them believe lies because you're a loser and are unable to accomplish anything (No one outside of these forums have heard of IceSentry. I know I haven't, and I hear about a lot of people.) in your fucked up little online life.

So, keep it up... I'll keep working on maps, keep learning more about 3D level design, and eventually land a job working for a large company. BTW, I feel sorry for myself. I'll have to help pay the taxes for your prison cell. :rolleyes:


kudos ack. the first argument ive ever seen that wasnt just bashing. not to mention you actually made points. ;D


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So, from what I can tell, if we held a vote every map ever made by anyone other then WS is crap? If that is so, what is the point of even trying to please anyone?

Have you had a look at this one,
no one has told me it completly
sucks, ACK said somthing about
it, but I could not tell if it was
negitive, or just infomitve?
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I pity you ack. I unlike you have a real life, outside of cyber world.

You would make managment easy in the USPS. There looking for ignorant little tattletale backstabbing bastards such as yourself.

You mentioned I was brainwashed? May I ask by who?
I am entitled to my own personal opinons just like yourself. An opinion is JUST an opinion unless you hold rank over people. But wait... all you do is sit around all day modding a dead game...

You contradict yourself just as much as I ever did. But don't ask me what specifically, It will be a waste of my time.

I doubt you would get anywhere high in the video game buisness. Not only does it take good skill to get in. It takes a good attitude, open minded people, and postive constructive critisim, not negative.

Wake up ACK, mommy and daddy arent going to live forever to keep the electricity on and the water running. You can't sit on your computer the rest of your life modding a dead game.
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If the game is dead, why are you still here?

I'm the bawss.
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ACK...you want to fucking make maps...then fine...but dont BERATE people for making their own. Dont make fun of us because all of the moderators decided the maps weren't all that bad. These are the maps we decided on because we agreed that they were all that least ok...which is more than I can say for some of yours.

This wasn't meant to be a flame topic...if you dont like the fucking maps...dont play on it...but dont tell us how to run our server. The list was approved by the 3 admins and the 2 super mods. AGAIN...you flaming our choice of maps wont change it. if you want to sit there and make fun of maps...make a map-flaming thread or something.


I dont care if you write me a letter
I dont care what you say to me no more
All I got is trash left at my door
What you have dont worry me, worry me now more
- Calvin Baty, Craving Theo

What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end
You could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
- Trent Reznor, NIN
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If the game is dead, why are you still here?


Your right, I should leave. I'm tired of this game anyways. Thanks for the arguments ACK, I had fun Exclamation

To all the opposers of ACK and his work. Give up. Your not dealing with a full deck anyways.
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I pity you ack. I unlike you have a real life, outside of cyber world.

You would make managment easy in the USPS. There looking for ignorant little tattletale backstabbing bastards such as yourself.

You mentioned I was brainwashed? May I ask by who?
I am entitled to my own personal opinons just like yourself. An opinion is JUST an opinion unless you hold rank over people. But wait... all you do is sit around all day modding a dead game...

You contradict yourself just as much as I ever did. But don't ask me what specifically, It will be a waste of my time.

I doubt you would get anywhere high in the video game buisness. Not only does it take good skill to get in. It takes a good attitude, open minded people, and postive constructive critisim, not negative.

Wake up ACK, mommy and daddy arent going to live forever to keep the electricity on and the water running. You can't sit on your computer the rest of your life modding a dead game.


Right, and so do I. Your point being?

I don't pay attention to the USPS. The last time I cared about anything that happened to them was when the anthrax passed through the mail system. Furthermore, how can you call me backstabbing and such when you don't know me, and since I'm always straight forward? Since when did I backstab you? I can't backstab someone I don't know or care enough about to talk to like a friend.

If you had bothered to read what I wrote, I said you brainwash others, not that you are brainwashed. You seem to exist only to proliferate your opinions as if they mean anything in an established community where I'm one of the oldest and most contributing members. Ever think that's a losing battle?

I rarely contradict myself, and asking you to prove it is a good idea. Care to share your assumed contradictions that I've supposedly said, or are you going to hide behind "Well he's done it, but I don't want to show it." all the time? :rolleyes:

Doubt is what people said about me before. "He'll never get his maps into Westwood. He'll never be a part of the dev team. He'll never do anything, nobody likes him."

And that's what they all said, and here we are. I have no problems proving you wrong over and over... Smile
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ACK...you want to fucking make maps...then fine...but dont BERATE people for making their own. Dont make fun of us because all of the moderators decided the maps weren't all that bad. These are the maps we decided on because we agreed that they were all that least ok...which is more than I can say for some of yours.

This wasn't meant to be a flame topic...if you dont like the fucking maps...dont play on it...but dont tell us how to run our server. The list was approved by the 3 admins and the 2 super mods. AGAIN...you flaming our choice of maps wont change it. if you want to sit there and make fun of maps...make a map-flaming thread or something.


Where, praytell, did I make fun of you for chosing mainly crappy maps? I'll berate anyone for any reason I deem fit. You don't tell me what I can or cannot do, so get over it because I'll be here giving my thoughts on anything I deem necessary.

Your moderators are just like fans. You don't know what makes a good map. You only see the quantity, not the quality. How many maps are there of mine out there? Seventeen? Compared to what, like over two hundred and fifty crappy maps? It's pretty obvious that you're going to believe that the quantity of maps is better than the quality, when that's almost all there is in this game.

Eventually people will wake up and start designing maps with the fun and good looks that people want. Eventually...

Yeah, I don't like the maps. I definitely do not play them. I did before, lots of times, which is why I based my opinions on what they're like. Your server, right... I'm missing out so much on a ten player server. Spare me, please. Very Happy
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alot of people on 56k cannot play on the larger servers...or at least shouldn't. God forbid we should help out the minorities...right? We like the maps...heck...I just spent 2 hours playing on them...and I only left because one of my closest friends wanted to talk.

One day you will find that it's not good to go out of your way to try to piss people off


I dont care if you write me a letter
I dont care what you say to me no more
All I got is trash left at my door
What you have dont worry me, worry me now more
- Calvin Baty, Craving Theo

What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end
You could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
- Trent Reznor, NIN
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Good, you like the maps. I'm happy you're satisfied with mediocre maps that have no balance or thought put into them.

Not everyone else has such simplistic tastes, and they are fortunately not the minority.
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Don't worry ACK, we all know you can make some quality maps. I noticed when people mention maps they enjoy by other creators aside from yourself, you try to point out how bad the map may be. Specifically when Fotress received positive attention....you mentioned a few insignificant errors here and in the Pits server. Sure, there's one major exploit, but I'd really rather play that map than mines, the airforce base, or one of the Deathmatch maps you've produced. Don't at all take this as a "YOUR MAPS IS BAD" post, because that's not at all what I'm trying to say. Basin, River Canyon, and Gobi are great maps that I frequently find myself playing on. I'm finished. Feel free to flame me or my opinion as a player if you see fit.
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Yet you haven't produced a reason why.

It's "Hey, I like this map." without any reason whatsoever.

It's like telling me "Yeah, all the time you put into your work to make sure it's as bug free as possible is worthless. These other mediocre, shitty ass maps are better because I like them, but I don't know why."

I gave more than one minor bug. Fortress has lots of major bugs. It looks like shit. It plays like shit. You can walk on the flight ceiling. If you fly too high and your aircraft blows up, you end up on the flight ceiling, walking around. You can fly off the map. You can fly into the tunnels. You can get stuck in many different places in the map. You can easily get your computer restarted by driving into the physical Tiberium crystals. The Obelisk is a foot off the ground and requires being jumped into.

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