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2012 Ragnarok [message #84852] Sat, 01 May 2004 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm more frightened by people who believe in god than by those who don't. Not necessarily Christians; I find that any religious people give the me creeps.
2012 Ragnarok [message #84853] Sat, 01 May 2004 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't mind people that are religious, it's just when they take it too far..

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2012 Ragnarok [message #84874] Sun, 02 May 2004 01:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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who cares? If thats when we die we die no way we can help it no need in worring about it. Anyone who sits around studding that crap needs a new hobbie, its only going to make you parinoid, worried for the rest of your life because you always studing the biggeset event that will ever happen, the end of man kind.


Just my opinion though Razz


I agree, Thinking of this shit doesn't make any sense, If we're going to die, then there is nothing to do about it. So just live a life and don't think about death.


2012 Ragnarok [message #84885] Sun, 02 May 2004 03:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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people wonder why holy wars start..... MrBob thinks agnostics or non-believers destroy his country.....infadels......wait that reminds me havent we heard that word before? Just think where it lead serveral hundred countries just a few years ago.....all because one religion thought others were wrong....

Look at the Jews and Muslims they have slaughtered each other for thousands of years now and yet the blood still flows in their wars.....

Whats your point? If it were up to you would you kill of people who choose not to believe in god? Christian hypocrite? what about god "giving" the people free will, and in that will the right to choose, even if in his eyes it want the right choice? Yes? No? If yes then i believe you are being somewhat contradictive of yourself. If no then i believe both the bible and the religion you hold so dear is a contradiction in itself.

But in hummanity people are free to choose, free to live how they please. The only thing that may stop them is being thrown in Jail...but they still made that choice. All i can say is the non-believers will never believe, the Christians will never forget....so stop trying to ram it down the throats of others.

And btw shouldnt this now be in politics and hot issues?


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2012 Ragnarok [message #84888] Sun, 02 May 2004 03:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you have just confused all the logic of this planet I have to go kill my self now cuz nothing makes sense anymore... D:

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2012 Ragnarok [message #84920] Sun, 02 May 2004 06:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Looks like no one read the links I gave.

God is the "0wnage". Plain and Simple.

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2012 Ragnarok [message #84921] Sun, 02 May 2004 06:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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At this rate this topic will be locked in a few hours. The best thing to do to keep this topic going is to compleatly shut up about the god or no god thing and focus on the topic.

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2012 Ragnarok [message #84934] Sun, 02 May 2004 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you dont beleive in god or the bible theres no need to go digging around for any shred of evidence that it is a fraud.


If anything just let it go that its a book of morals for people to live there lives by.

If you choose to ignore it thats fine no one is calling you immoral because of it.

We are calling you immoral because you deliberatly attack it despite this
2012 Ragnarok [message #84959] Sun, 02 May 2004 12:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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/sighs

Politics and hot issues.....

whoever started the god no god shit should be taken to a pasture and shot.


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2012 Ragnarok [message #84964] Sun, 02 May 2004 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The freaking topic of this thread is armegeddon. The question about God is BOUND to follow. Now stop whining about it, kids.


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2012 Ragnarok [message #84992] Sun, 02 May 2004 15:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EEK! GunRun, why didn’t you tell me about this topic?

Before I start, here’s to all you retards who have to revolt against some one just because their of a different religion: If you living like there is no god you better be right.

Any way, this is one of the few topics of don’t have much solid information on, mostly because no one does, here is my explanation:

I don’t want to go into this, but any one who is religious would know stories about super natural things within their religion; angels and resurrections are examples. Most current religions were formed by an angel telling a person something and in turn, that person spreading it around. I'll get back to this in a bit, after you read all of this it will come together.

A Very long time ago large pools of water (soon to be oceans) life appeared and evolved at an alarming rate. Scientists are still puzzled on how it got there but it just seemed to start. Earth could actually have been seeded by an advanced alien race, or as an experiment. Or the organic compounds just formed by themselves.

Now to the Mayans, there is strong evidence of their interaction with extraterrestrial life, or they were just really smart: A small stone model of an air plane was found in a temple that was thought to be sealed for thousands of years. If you fly over the desert there you will see huge "runways" in the ground, so big you wouldn’t notice it on the ground, just a small drop while walking. The Egyptians actually have records of activities that would be alien to us.

Now, on to the 2012 thing, it could very well be true. Now if you didn’t put it together already, what I’ve been saying is that God, or any other god for that matter, angels, and other things like that are aliens who have been watching over us for thousands of years. If you still think this is bullshit, there are documents, and other things showing the probable of existence of aliens who are observing us. Like a recording from an Apollo mission that described what an astronaut was seeing over on the other side of a creator. If any one remembers the story of , it was a city that was destroyed, and a man and his family were told they could leave before it was destroyed because they were the only good ones, but they could not turn around and look back or they would be turned into a pillar of salt, here is the scientific explanation: Aliens destroyed the city to show something, most likely what happens when your a bad little human, but the thing that makes the story special is the pillar of salt thing. Certain energies and materials mixed together are actually capital of turning some organic substances onto a salt compound. This would make a connection with a nuclear weapon, extremely advanced of course. The aliens did not want them to see what was going on, most likely to keep the man thinking it was god condemning the city. Then you have mosses, the top of mount Sinai or how ever you spell it, there was a storm going on, mosses might have been aboard a ship, being instructed on what to do. These are just accuracies were aliens tried to steer humans in a direction they wanted.

What I'm getting at is that is fully possible that it could happen, but when was the last time people were major steered by acts of god? A very long time ago. This could point to a cancellation of them showing us themselves, or postponement. They know that we will probably react with force other then try to learn about them.


2012 Ragnarok [message #84994] Sun, 02 May 2004 15:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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With what you just said and the explanation that we will be taken through a gate that wormholes space/folds space i feel like this is a striyline to the next Stargate SG1 episode.....

Yes it's all possible and sometimes makes you think.....i mean look at the evidence, But then again what if that evidence is there to keep us looking? what if it is placed there? What about De Ja Vu? etc....ever thought you could be in the martrix as well?

Silly but everything has evidence....what does the evidence point to? Belief....

Oh and Budha isnt a religion from Angels or Gods of any kind...research it, Siddat Gotama was a muslim prince who saw suffering, walked into the wild and meditated until he starved to death and reached "enlightenment" no gods there....their gods are those who are enlightened ones and even they arent devine in nature, just in stature....

It all seems fasniating to me, but so did the whole "the world is gonna end in 1997" crap and im still here.


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2012 Ragnarok [message #84995] Sun, 02 May 2004 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Its cool and all to be religous, but not ubsesed with it and let it ruin your lives, the people who follow it word for word don't say shit or damnt every once in a while, dont ever get mad, are the ones who freek me out.

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2012 Ragnarok [message #84997] Sun, 02 May 2004 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kytten9 brings up a good point, but what if its in revers, we are ment to figure it out, once we do and accept it when will show themselfs. Like a puzzel. An expariment to see how long it will take to figure it out. 2000-2012 might be the par time Razz

2012 Ragnarok [message #84998] Sun, 02 May 2004 15:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lol, you guys are over thinking this a tad i think, who cares when we all die, if its gonna happen its gonna happen, any of us could be in the street and get our ass hit by a Ford pickup truck at anytime, but do you worrie about it? No, or at least i hope not. So just forget all this Smile

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2012 Ragnarok [message #85001] Sun, 02 May 2004 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Confused .... Mad ... :twisted: *Infinint kills cowmisfit* Razz

This isent an issue about dieing, for all we know they could be inviting us to a party... For all we know aliens probibly don't exsist.


2012 Ragnarok [message #85135] Mon, 03 May 2004 04:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We should settle this in a Renegade match, Pagans on nod, Christians on GDI, whoever wins is right. But of course Christians always beat Pagans because Pagans are stupid and think the universe was created from a big exploding rock.
Well.......what created the big ass rock? How can a big ass rock of elements distribute planets, moons, and suns across infinity????


2012 Ragnarok [message #85169] Mon, 03 May 2004 07:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What created the big rock? Simply this, every few maybe trillion years the universe collapses on itself and then explodes again. This is all part of the big bang theory. The Universe itself is actually infinite time old, but this stage of it, which is the infinite stage of infinite stages, is mealy a few hundred billion years old. Then it expands and collapses in on itself and a new universe is born.

Then there’s the branch theory that other universe are created though black holes and continue in the same fission of explaining and contracting.


2012 Ragnarok [message #85228] Mon, 03 May 2004 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey, infinint. Looks like some one is watching the same stuff im watching. "There is truth in your fiction and fiction in your truth". There must be a purpose for our own existence. We don't know our purpose, but if we knew we would lose hope and our humanity would look more like we have the purpose of a rock.

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2012 Ragnarok [message #85237] Mon, 03 May 2004 13:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Someone should organize that match. BTW what created the universe??

2012 Ragnarok [message #85241] Mon, 03 May 2004 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Then there’s the branch theory that other universe are created though black holes and continue in the same fission of explaining and contracting.


I'd like to know how you can explain that "other universes" (WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE, mind you,) are created by compressed matter exploding. In fact, I'd like to see proof of a blackhole that has "exploded" in the first place.



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2012 Ragnarok [message #85242] Mon, 03 May 2004 13:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yeah good idea, how do you know what these old nerds are saying fact and not just some complicated theory.

2012 Ragnarok [message #85257] Mon, 03 May 2004 14:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Javaxcx, what? Anyway, I'll get the name of the theory and get a site on it, its the most popular theory on how the universe works.

Here's a picturefyed explanation, sorry for the other one cuz I wrote it up quick so some of you didn’t understand.

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Ok, there’s a model similar to the one that was used when I learned it. Time is represented by purple to cyan. The whole model is not happening at once, only one at a time is going on and any given moment, plus all branches. The branch starts on the time line were the black hole formed and continues on until its disconnected when its mother universe collapses to an infinitely small size to form a new universe in a big bang process. The life of a universe is like this: (1) big bang, (2) expansion, (3) shrinkage, (4) compression, (5) big bang. The branches are formed from black holes sucking out material from one universe and dropping it off in a new one created on the time of the black hole creation. This plays a part in the multivers theory, were there are an infinite amount of universe (which are infinitely large) in an infinitely large space. Mind boggling if you think about it.

Finally, NastyDead, I'm not old, and I'm not forcing anything on you, there is no solid evidence and there never will be, if current physics holds true, we will never see anything to help us know if this is fact. These are merely popular and well supported theories. Although there is evidence of the big bang theory in our own universe. X-Ray, and UV ray photos have been taken of light still traveling to us from past occurrences. This can also tell us how the universe is infinitely large, by folding back on itself. This is true for a shape thingy with a certain name (I forgot) were if you were to walk forward, you would go on forever but really you would still be in the same space. I don’t want to go into this a lot cuz I don’t have hours to write it all out. You can look some stuff up online.


2012 Ragnarok [message #85259] Mon, 03 May 2004 14:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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NastyDead]BTW what created the universe??

No one knows, according to that theory, another univers Big Banging did, thinking farther back is up to you, but your not going to get vary far without ending up were you started.


2012 Ragnarok [message #85268] Mon, 03 May 2004 14:30 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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The only thing that model can describe is a theortical timeline of the universe, where the elipses represent one cycle of all the matter and energy in existence.

For starters, that's not the most popular theory about how the universe works. The one that is actually widely accepted (thanks to growing evidence) is an open universe theory where there has and will only be ONE cycle of the universe. After the theoretical big bang, matter will continue you expand outward for eternity until the also theoretical "heat death" of the universe. This assumes that the void that is space is an infinite distance OR infinate loop. Oh, and don't expect to draw an "infinate loop" diagram of the universe, because it cannot be done in 3 dimenions.

Secondly, for your theory to work, there is alot of theoretical physics that deduces how unlikely that actually is. For the universe to compress upon itself, the acceleration that matter is undergoing right now will have to be overtaken by a pull of gravity GREATER than the force of acceration forcing the universe outward as we speak. So essentially, gravity would have to have an exponentail effect greater to that of the exponential effect of acceleration, otherwise we're going to continue to fly outwards for eternity.



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