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Game improvement: Enable rocketeers' missiles to home in? [message #84298]

Thu, 29 April 2004 21:04

kadoosh
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out of all i have read warranto's suggestion sounds the best. Forces people to make the decision of dumbfire rockets or homing rockets.

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Game improvement: Enable rocketeers' missiles to home in? [message #84299]

Thu, 29 April 2004 21:07

Deathgod
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LCG is more accurate than rockets? Since when? Razz

I think what you mean is they hit faster, not necessarily more often. Having a nearly-instant hit instead of one that travels is a big advantage, to be sure.

I think if you're going to make one rocketeer have homing rockets, they really all should. As it is right now the only reason to buy a GDI rocket officer is if you can't afford a Gunner. That small ROF/damage/health increase is a big difference between the two, in practice.

I think making the homing rockets on alt-fire would be a good idea; someone mentioned that in one of these threads but I don't feel like looking through to find it. That way the rockets will still be useful against infantry and vehicles alike.

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Game improvement: Enable rocketeers' missiles to home in? [message #84306]

Thu, 29 April 2004 22:10

Aircraftkiller
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Rockets aren't meant to be useful against soldiers. They're supposed to be almost ineffective against them for balance purposes. They're great against tanks, but shit against infantry.

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Thu, 29 April 2004 22:24

Deathgod
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You know, last time I checked on it, if you fire a rocket and hit someone, they die from it. In C&C they weren't good vs. infantry due to the accuracy issue, which is largely negated in Ren since you control it. Thus, they can be accurate and effective vs. infantry.

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Game improvement: Enable rocketeers' missiles to home in? [message #84308]

Thu, 29 April 2004 22:30

Aircraftkiller
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Obviously; I was talking about C&C, not Renegade.

They don't HAVE to be effective versus infantry in Renegade, it's a simple matter of getting rid of that stupid rocket launcher clip idea (What kind of rocket launcher has fucking MAGAZINES??) and replacing it with a single shot rocket launcher that does more damage, but doesn't have a bunch of explosive damage in the area around where it detonates.

Of course, you could always give Gunner the "clip launcher" with six missiles, with them doing less damage per shot, but more in a consecutive volley of missiles.

Either way, my point is that rocket soldiers shouldn't be effective against infantry to begin with. If they hit in the body, sure... Like in C&C where hitting a soldier directly will nearly kill him.

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Game improvement: Enable rocketeers' missiles to home in? [message #84311]

Thu, 29 April 2004 23:05

Deathgod
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And my point is that they aren't as it is now, but the fact that you get to aim the rockets rather than the game making them hit close to the target is what makes the difference. It's a matter of the difference between an RTS and FPS engine more than it is a difference between what the rockets themselves do. If you splash people with rockets in Ren you get the same effect.

If you do change it though, giving Gunner the old launcher would probably be a good idea, so that he can still own up on everything with no restrictions. Differentiating the characters' rockets would be a decent way to force people to use the lower-class ones.

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Game improvement: Enable rocketeers' missiles to home in? [message #84408]

Fri, 30 April 2004 12:15

warranto
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Deathgod

LCG is more accurate than rockets? Since when? Razz

I think what you mean is they hit faster, not necessarily more often. Having a nearly-instant hit instead of one that travels is a big advantage, to be sure.

Bah, so I used it in the wrong context. The fact that it travels faster still makes the overall accuracy-when-fireing higher though Razz

A possible solution to tracking infantry would be to give the rocket a degree of error with it's tracking ability. This way it could still be able to hit Armoured vehicles due to their size, but making it more difficult to hit infantry. Of course, it would be so you'd need to keep the target in your sights for it to maintain it's track.

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Game improvement: Enable rocketeers' missiles to home in? [message #84413]

Fri, 30 April 2004 12:27

Aircraftkiller
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Not possible, they're fire and forget missiles, not optically guided ones.

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