| Renguard obtains serial? [message #82636] |
Fri, 23 April 2004 05:46  |
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sterps
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Is it true that Renguard obtains my serial and uses it? im just wondering bcoz i read it at the bc forums?
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| Renguard obtains serial? [message #82637] |
Fri, 23 April 2004 05:54  |
Neo
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hmmm...well, from what I have been told, it uses a one way encryption. It doesn't really "obtain" your serial. If you aren't a cheater, it really shouldn't affect you, as the only way your serial is used is if you are banned, then it bans you by your serial number.
Someone correct me please if I am wrong.
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| Renguard obtains serial? [message #82666] |
Fri, 23 April 2004 08:14 |
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We obtain a 1-way hash of your serial (which means we cant get the serial itself even if we wanted to). It is only used if you get banned, the serial number is one item we use to identify banned people.
Jonathan Wilson aka Jonwil
Creator and Lead Coder of the Custom scripts.dll
Renegade Engine Guru
Creator and Lead Coder of TT.DLL
Official member of Tiberian Technologies
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| Renguard obtains serial? [message #82706] |
Fri, 23 April 2004 11:57 |
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Crimson
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A one-way hash is like a door that only locks from the inside with no keyhole on the other side. It can't be reversed to your actual serial. The advantage, however, is that your serial will always hash to the same value, which is why this sort of encryption is used for comparison purposes.
Let's say you have a serial:
102931379147924 (fake, obviously)
It may hash to something like:
3b44fac8
Now I could try every possible serial until I found one that hashed to the same value, but if I'm going to do that, I might as well just try to log into WOL with those serials I'm trying, then I'll be able to log in from a variety of valid serials instead of just trying to find yours.
Another example... you could have a 5.6 MB mp3 of some song you like. It may hash to something like "9b773ef3". How can you POSSIBLY reverse this short string of letters to a 5.6 MB file? It's used for comparison. In a perfect world, if your favorite band had two versions of a song and you had one, you could use this hash to compare whether the version you're going to download is the same or a different mix because the hash won't match.
Make sense? (credits to Blazer for some of these examples used earlier)
And another thing, YOU WILL NOT BE BANNED FROM RENGUARD IF WE DON'T LIKE YOU. Banning is very strictly reserved for those who are a threat to the network. An example would be someone who was repeatedly caught by our intrusion detection code as attempting to bypass RenGuard... or someone who successfully got past it and didn't tell us how. Basically people that you shouldn't want on your server anyway.
I'm the bawss.
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| Renguard obtains serial? [message #83490] |
Mon, 26 April 2004 11:45 |
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Crimson
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Whether MD5 is easy to reverse or not it doesn't change the fact that we don't use MD5...
I'm the bawss.
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| Renguard obtains serial? [message #83506] |
Mon, 26 April 2004 12:49 |
dead6re
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MD5 is not easy to decode, my friend had a go and failed, he looked around and took him a month to figure it out, the world i used was test but yet it took a month, longer words would take longer and harder to decrypt
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| Re: Renguard obtains serial? [message #83624] |
Mon, 26 April 2004 19:03 |
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Majiin Vegeta
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Is it true that Renguard obtains my serial and uses it? im just wondering bcoz i read it at the bc forums?
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crimson and co. are building a mass database of serials they have taken from users to do absolutly nothing with...
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dont read anything anyone says about renguard unless its in the RG forums becuase that way you learn the turth and not some bullshit like on the BC forums
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