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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7785] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 12:42   |
KIRBY098
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just because half of the UN approved it doesn't mean anything. I'm sure if you looked at the right place, you could find people that think it's fine to kill baby seals.
And that arguement WAS used by hitler...dont complain about him trying to brainwash you when he tells the truth.
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Don't use circular logic to make a point. Bring facts, or supported opinion, but don't try to drag us around in circles to cover your ignorance, and inability to debate.
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7826] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 13:56 |
KIRBY098
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when you mention some facts, I'd be glad to
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I doubt you would recognize them if they bit you in the ass.
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7895] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 16:50 |
spotelmo
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We should condense this topic to point form and make a reveiw with the counter arguements.
I.E. Kirby's claims:
Point
Counters
Point
Counters
That way we can keep track of it in a manner similar to that of a debate. If this isn't done when I go on the computer next I will do it myself.
Now back to my snipher shots at points.
Ok earlier in the topic I noticed that someone claimed Saddam support the French leader's party and thus France is no longer impartial. Yet Bush and less then impartial himself. His father went to war with Iraq and stopped before going into Baghdad and taking out Saddam. How do you know Bush isn't trying to "finish" his father's war? I find that anything but impartial in the matter.[/list]
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his "father's war" was finished. bush senior did what he set out to do, push sadaam back and let the un disarm him. it was the un that did not finish what it started. gw bush is an indepentent man who rose to power because of his own ideals and accomplishments, not because he was a president's son. otherwise, we would have many presidents and sons filling the whitehouse. if anything, being bush's son hurt his chances rather than helped because of perceptions that bush senior was ineffectual as a leader(perceptions that i do not share) of course political connections gainde by bush senior's years in the whitehouse helped gw gain the whitehouse, but those connections would have meant nothing if gw did not have the qualifications on his own. everyone who has gained the whitehouse since the beginning of the country has relied on their "connections" to help them get there but bottom line, it is the people who decide.
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7938] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 18:20 |
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Duke of Nukes
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COLONEL HUGO BANZER, President of Bolivia
FULGENCIO BATISTA, President of Cuba
SIR HASSANAL BOLKIAH, the Sultan of Brunei
P. W. BOTHA, President of South Africa
GENERAL HUMBERTO BRANCO, President of Brazil
VINICIO CEREZO, President of Guatemala
CHIANG KAI-SHEK, President of Taiwan
ROBERTO SUAZO CORDOVA, President of Honduras
ALFREDO CRISTIANI, President of El Salvador
NGO DINH DIEM, President of South Viet Nam
GENERAL SAMUEL DOE, President of Liberia
FRANÇOIS & JEAN CLAUDE DUVALIER, Presidents-for-Life of Haiti
GENERAL FRANCISCO FRANCO, President of Spain
ADOLF HITLER, Chancellor of Germany
HUSSAN II, King of Morocco
FERDINAND MARCOS, President of the Philippines
MAXIMILIANO HERNANDEZ MARTINEZ, General of El Salvador
MOBUTU SESE SEKO, President of Zaire
GENERAL MANUEL NORIEGA, Chief of Defense forces, Panama
TURGUT OZAL, Prime Minister of Turkey
MOHAMMAD REZA PAHLEVI, Shah of Iran, King of Kings
GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS, Prime Minister of Greece
PARK CHUNG HEE, President of South Korea
GENERAL AUGUSTO PINOCHET, President of Chile
GENERAL SITIVENI RABUKA, Commander, Armed Forces of Fiji
GENERAL EFRAIN RIOS MONT, President of Guatemala
ANTONIO DE OLIVEIRA SALAZAR, Prime Minister of Portugal
HALIE SELASSIE, Emperor of Ethiopia
IAN SMITH, Prime Minister of Rhodesia
ANASTASIO SOMOZA, SR. AND JR., Presidents of Nicaragua
ALFREDO STROESSNER, President-for-Life of Paraguay
GENERAL SUHARTO, President of Indonesia
RAFAEL LEONIDAS TRUJILLO, President of the Dominican Republic
GENERAL JORGE RAFAEL VIDELA, President of Argentina
MOHAMMED ZIA UL-HAQ, President of Pakistan
All are dictators that were at one point supported by America.
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7943] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 18:27 |
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K9Trooper
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COLONEL HUGO BANZER, President of Bolivia
FULGENCIO BATISTA, President of Cuba
SIR HASSANAL BOLKIAH, the Sultan of Brunei
P. W. BOTHA, President of South Africa
GENERAL HUMBERTO BRANCO, President of Brazil
VINICIO CEREZO, President of Guatemala
CHIANG KAI-SHEK, President of Taiwan
ROBERTO SUAZO CORDOVA, President of Honduras
ALFREDO CRISTIANI, President of El Salvador
NGO DINH DIEM, President of South Viet Nam
GENERAL SAMUEL DOE, President of Liberia
FRANÇOIS & JEAN CLAUDE DUVALIER, Presidents-for-Life of Haiti
GENERAL FRANCISCO FRANCO, President of Spain
ADOLF HITLER, Chancellor of Germany
HUSSAN II, King of Morocco
FERDINAND MARCOS, President of the Philippines
MAXIMILIANO HERNANDEZ MARTINEZ, General of El Salvador
MOBUTU SESE SEKO, President of Zaire
GENERAL MANUEL NORIEGA, Chief of Defense forces, Panama
TURGUT OZAL, Prime Minister of Turkey
MOHAMMAD REZA PAHLEVI, Shah of Iran, King of Kings
GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS, Prime Minister of Greece
PARK CHUNG HEE, President of South Korea
GENERAL AUGUSTO PINOCHET, President of Chile
GENERAL SITIVENI RABUKA, Commander, Armed Forces of Fiji
GENERAL EFRAIN RIOS MONT, President of Guatemala
ANTONIO DE OLIVEIRA SALAZAR, Prime Minister of Portugal
HALIE SELASSIE, Emperor of Ethiopia
IAN SMITH, Prime Minister of Rhodesia
ANASTASIO SOMOZA, SR. AND JR., Presidents of Nicaragua
ALFREDO STROESSNER, President-for-Life of Paraguay
GENERAL SUHARTO, President of Indonesia
RAFAEL LEONIDAS TRUJILLO, President of the Dominican Republic
GENERAL JORGE RAFAEL VIDELA, President of Argentina
MOHAMMED ZIA UL-HAQ, President of Pakistan
All are dictators that were at one point supported by America.
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Hitler has NEVER been supported by the US. The US stayed out of European affairs until we got bombed. And alot of the names you listed were elected. Go find real info.
Also 90% of the names were/are supported by almost every other nation in the world.
R.I.P. TreyD. You will be missed, but not forgotten.
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7950] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 18:33 |
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Duke of Nukes
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just because someone was elected...that doesn't mean they couldn't become dictators...Ever heard of a country called Venezuela? Dictatorship in the making.
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32 ADOLF HITLER
Chancellor of Germany
As German bombs fell on London and Nazi tanks rolled over U.S. troops, Sosthenes Behn, president and founder of the U.S. based ITT corporation. met with his German representative to discuss improving German communication systems. ITT was designing and building Nazi phone and radio systems as well as supplying crucial parts for German bombs. Our government knew all about this, for under presidential order, U.S. companies were licensed to trade with the Nazis. The choice of who would be licensed was odd, though: while Secretary of State Breckinridge Long gave the Ford Motor Company permission to make Nazi tanks, he simultaneously blocked aid to German-Jewish refugees because the U.S. wasn't supposed to be trading with the enemy.
Other U.S. companies trading with the Third Reich were General Motors, DuPont, Standard Oil of New Jersey, Davis Oil Co., and the Chase National Bank. President Roosevelt did not stop them fearing a scandal might lead to another stock market crash or lower U.S. morale. Besides, the same companies that traded with Hitler were supplying the U.S., and some corporate leaders threatened to withdraw their support if Roosevelt exposed them. Henry Ford was a good friend of Hitler's. His book The Internatonal Jew had inspired Hitler's Mein Kampf. The Fuehrer kept Ford's picture in his office, and Ford was one of only four foreigners to receive Germany's highest civilian award. As for Sosthenes Behn, at the end of the war, he received the highest civilian award for service to his country - the United States of America.
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I dont care if you write me a letter
I dont care what you say to me no more
All I got is trash left at my door
What you have dont worry me, worry me now more
- Calvin Baty, Craving Theo
What have I become?
My sweetest friend
Everyone I know
Goes away in the end
You could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt
- Trent Reznor, NIN
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7951] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 18:34 |
KIRBY098
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the0ne]We bomb 'bad' people. (Because they won't deal with the world in a diplomatic way)
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oh really? So...all those people that were in Hiroshima when the bomb was dropped...they were all bad people. They all posed a threat to our freedom. You're right...all those doctors, seamstress's...housewifes...they were all in the military and had plans of invading America.
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this is a recording........this is a recording.......this is a recording.......this is a recording........
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| eggmac the pacifist [message #7964] |
Wed, 19 March 2003 18:58 |
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K9Trooper
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| Duke of Nukes |
just because someone was elected...that doesn't mean they couldn't become dictators...Ever heard of a country called Venezuela? Dictatorship in the making.
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32 ADOLF HITLER
Chancellor of Germany
As German bombs fell on London and Nazi tanks rolled over U.S. troops, Sosthenes Behn, president and founder of the U.S. based ITT corporation. met with his German representative to discuss improving German communication systems. ITT was designing and building Nazi phone and radio systems as well as supplying crucial parts for German bombs. Our government knew all about this, for under presidential order, U.S. companies were licensed to trade with the Nazis. The choice of who would be licensed was odd, though: while Secretary of State Breckinridge Long gave the Ford Motor Company permission to make Nazi tanks, he simultaneously blocked aid to German-Jewish refugees because the U.S. wasn't supposed to be trading with the enemy.
Other U.S. companies trading with the Third Reich were General Motors, DuPont, Standard Oil of New Jersey, Davis Oil Co., and the Chase National Bank. President Roosevelt did not stop them fearing a scandal might lead to another stock market crash or lower U.S. morale. Besides, the same companies that traded with Hitler were supplying the U.S., and some corporate leaders threatened to withdraw their support if Roosevelt exposed them. Henry Ford was a good friend of Hitler's. His book The Internatonal Jew had inspired Hitler's Mein Kampf. The Fuehrer kept Ford's picture in his office, and Ford was one of only four foreigners to receive Germany's highest civilian award. As for Sosthenes Behn, at the end of the war, he received the highest civilian award for service to his country - the United States of America.
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The US government never supported Hitler. Your attempt to tie business to the US gov support is weak.
Then any leader can become a dictator. Another weak coment.
R.I.P. TreyD. You will be missed, but not forgotten.
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