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eggmac the pacifist [message #7438]

Tue, 18 March 2003 12:56

eggmac
Messages: 51
Registered: February 2003

Karma:

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I see what you mean joroe. And yes, I agree with you and with K9 that the response to the Nazi-German agression is more than justified.
But today we do not have a response to an agression, but an agression itself. You rightly say that dictatorships like Hussein's must be controlled and contained. This is the duty of the international community in order to prevent ethnic cleansing, aggression etc. But I do not beleive that Iraq is a real thread to the Unated States or any other country. There is no evidence for that, furthermore there is no evidence that Iraq had anything to fo with the attacks of Sept. 11th. And even if there was, an attack on such a country is irresponsible because the first victims of that war will not be the 'bad' guys but the inncoent civilians. Such conflicts must be solve by any other means but not by war, because a 'Military humanism' is not possible, it is a contradiction in itself.

It is often said that pacifist are irrational and far away from reality. But I cannot agree on that (how could I), especially at the moment. The USA is the most powerful country in the world, it has the possibility of acting however they like. So it is in their responsibility to start a war or to solve a problem with other means such as diplomacy, sanctions, containment (the case of the Soviet Union proves that containment policy and human rights activities DO change the world) etc.
Pacifist before the First World War were laughed at and during the war even imprisoned. Later they were proved right. Same was in Nazi-Germany before the Second World War.
Hitler justified his war by saying that Poland supresses German citizens and that jews are the evil tyrans of the world being responsible for horrible crimes. Everyone tries to justify his actions by difarmating (sp? sorry) his opponent. But one has to ask oneslef whether there is much truth in it or not.

K9, I did say the truth. I do not have any desire to lie to you in any way. Why should I? There is nothing very special about my backgrounds.

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		eggmac the pacifist By: joroe34 on Tue, 18 March 2003 11:31
		eggmac the pacifist By: KIRBY098 on Tue, 18 March 2003 11:50
		eggmac the pacifist By: eggmac on Tue, 18 March 2003 11:51
		eggmac the pacifist By: eggmac on Tue, 18 March 2003 11:53
		eggmac the pacifist By: joroe34 on Tue, 18 March 2003 11:55
		eggmac the pacifist By: eggmac on Tue, 18 March 2003 12:00
		eggmac the pacifist By: joroe34 on Tue, 18 March 2003 12:05
		eggmac the pacifist By: K9Trooper on Tue, 18 March 2003 12:23
		eggmac the pacifist By: joroe34 on Tue, 18 March 2003 12:25
		eggmac the pacifist By: eggmac on Tue, 18 March 2003 12:56
		eggmac the pacifist By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 18 March 2003 13:18
		eggmac the pacifist By: eggmac on Tue, 18 March 2003 14:07
		eggmac the pacifist By: Commando no. 448 on Tue, 18 March 2003 14:12
		eggmac the pacifist By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 18 March 2003 14:12
		eggmac the pacifist By: frijud on Tue, 18 March 2003 14:13
		eggmac the pacifist By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 18 March 2003 14:16
		eggmac the pacifist By: joroe34 on Tue, 18 March 2003 15:43
		eggmac the pacifist By: Commando no. 448 on Tue, 18 March 2003 15:45
		eggmac the pacifist By: Commando no. 448 on Tue, 18 March 2003 15:52
		eggmac the pacifist By: Ren Sizzlefab on Tue, 18 March 2003 15:53
		eggmac the pacifist By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 18 March 2003 16:24
		eggmac the pacifist By: Commando no. 448 on Tue, 18 March 2003 16:59
		eggmac the pacifist By: Ren Sizzlefab on Tue, 18 March 2003 17:09
		eggmac the pacifist By: Aircraftkiller on Tue, 18 March 2003 17:16
		eggmac the pacifist By: Ren Sizzlefab on Tue, 18 March 2003 17:45
		eggmac the pacifist By: Commando no. 448 on Tue, 18 March 2003 17:53
		eggmac the pacifist By: KIRBY098 on Tue, 18 March 2003 18:15
		eggmac the pacifist By: KIRBY098 on Tue, 18 March 2003 18:22
		eggmac the pacifist By: K9Trooper on Tue, 18 March 2003 18:47
		eggmac the pacifist By: [sg]the0ne on Tue, 18 March 2003 19:03
		eggmac the pacifist By: eggmac on Tue, 18 March 2003 19:34
		eggmac the pacifist By: eggmac on Tue, 18 March 2003 19:49
		eggmac the pacifist By: K9Trooper on Tue, 18 March 2003 20:53
		eggmac the pacifist By: K9Trooper on Tue, 18 March 2003 22:31
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 00:05
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 00:22
		eggmac the pacifist By: K9Trooper on Wed, 19 March 2003 00:31
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 00:53
		eggmac the pacifist By: NeoSaber on Wed, 19 March 2003 00:54
		eggmac the pacifist By: KIRBY098 on Wed, 19 March 2003 00:54
		eggmac the pacifist By: [sg]the0ne on Wed, 19 March 2003 01:09
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 01:09
		eggmac the pacifist By: NeoSaber on Wed, 19 March 2003 01:12
		eggmac the pacifist By: KIRBY098 on Wed, 19 March 2003 01:26
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 01:34
		eggmac the pacifist By: KIRBY098 on Wed, 19 March 2003 01:39
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 01:44
		eggmac the pacifist By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 19 March 2003 01:49
		eggmac the pacifist By: Smurfette on Wed, 19 March 2003 01:49
		eggmac the pacifist By: KIRBY098 on Wed, 19 March 2003 01:50
		eggmac the pacifist By: K9Trooper on Wed, 19 March 2003 01:54
		eggmac the pacifist By: [sg]the0ne on Wed, 19 March 2003 01:57
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:02
		eggmac the pacifist By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:04
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:11
		eggmac the pacifist By: Smurfette on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:13
		eggmac the pacifist By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:13
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:18
		eggmac the pacifist By: [sg]the0ne on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:19
		eggmac the pacifist By: [sg]the0ne on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:22
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:25
		eggmac the pacifist By: Smurfette on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:35
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:41
		eggmac the pacifist By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:46
		eggmac the pacifist By: spotelmo on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:48
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:50
		eggmac the pacifist By: Aircraftkiller on Wed, 19 March 2003 02:55
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 03:02
		eggmac the pacifist By: Commando no. 448 on Wed, 19 March 2003 03:05
		eggmac the pacifist By: Walrus on Wed, 19 March 2003 05:49
		eggmac the pacifist By: eggmac on Wed, 19 March 2003 07:00
		eggmac the pacifist By: [sg]the0ne on Wed, 19 March 2003 07:09
		eggmac the pacifist By: KIRBY098 on Wed, 19 March 2003 07:14
		eggmac the pacifist By: eggmac on Wed, 19 March 2003 07:26
		eggmac the pacifist By: eggmac on Wed, 19 March 2003 07:27
		eggmac the pacifist By: [sg]the0ne on Wed, 19 March 2003 07:38
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 12:39
		eggmac the pacifist By: KIRBY098 on Wed, 19 March 2003 12:42
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 12:55
		eggmac the pacifist By: Commando no. 448 on Wed, 19 March 2003 13:48
		eggmac the pacifist By: KIRBY098 on Wed, 19 March 2003 13:56
		eggmac the pacifist By: K9Trooper on Wed, 19 March 2003 15:59
		eggmac the pacifist By: spotelmo on Wed, 19 March 2003 16:50
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 17:42
		eggmac the pacifist By: eggmac on Wed, 19 March 2003 17:50
		eggmac the pacifist By: K9Trooper on Wed, 19 March 2003 17:57
		eggmac the pacifist By: [sg]the0ne on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:06
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:09
		eggmac the pacifist By: K9Trooper on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:12
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:15
		eggmac the pacifist By: [sg]the0ne on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:18
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:20
		eggmac the pacifist By: [sg]the0ne on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:23
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:26
		eggmac the pacifist By: K9Trooper on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:27
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:29
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:33
		eggmac the pacifist By: KIRBY098 on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:34
		eggmac the pacifist By: [sg]the0ne on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:36
		eggmac the pacifist By: K9Trooper on Wed, 19 March 2003 18:58
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 19:43
		eggmac the pacifist By: [sg]the0ne on Wed, 19 March 2003 20:23
		eggmac the pacifist By: Duke of Nukes on Wed, 19 March 2003 20:27
		eggmac the pacifist By: KIRBY098 on Wed, 19 March 2003 20:34
		eggmac the pacifist By: Ren Sizzlefab on Wed, 19 March 2003 21:48
		eggmac the pacifist By: Commando no. 448 on Thu, 20 March 2003 04:49
		eggmac the pacifist By: Doitle on Thu, 20 March 2003 06:40

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