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| OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73877] |
Fri, 26 March 2004 04:27   |
KIRBY098
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lol america is full with stupid cases and now there is something in europe thats a bit weird and they whine. :rolleyes:
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There's more than one wierd thing in Europe..............
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| OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73880] |
Fri, 26 March 2004 05:11 |
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Demolition man
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| Demolition man |
lol america is full with stupid cases and now there is something in europe thats a bit weird and they whine. :rolleyes:
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There's more than one wierd thing in Europe..............
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Not as many as in america...
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| OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73954] |
Fri, 26 March 2004 14:17 |
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smwScott
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So? If they want to say that, they're more than entitled to do so. If I sell computers, and I don't want them being sold from retailers with competition side-by-side, then I have every right to tell them to take my products off their shelves.
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Actually you don't have that right. In America it's illegal. Not sure if it's federal or state mandated, but there are laws to ensure competition and protect the consumer, and doing what you just said is a violation, now matter how you word it. Telling a store they can't sell other peoples products if they want to continue selling yours is illegal.
And there are many products that are better than Windows. First of all Apple is much more reliable and user friendly than Windows. Linux is much better for programmers and work stations. And in almost all cases there are better versions of the products that Microsoft offers. I am using Windows because I am forced to, because this is where the applications are, and since everyone else has Windows it's compatible. Products would be much better if MS did not hold such a monopoly over the industry and competition could actually compete.
Also, with the upcoming Longhorn MS is going to become even more controlling of personal computers. You will no longer have control over what you have in your machine and they have the right and capability to remove anything they want at will. MS needs to be taken down a few pegs, or else computers are gonna go all to shit real fast.
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| OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73966] |
Fri, 26 March 2004 15:22 |
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IRON FART
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Where does the EU get off telling a American Company what they can and can't do there is a little thing we call free enterprise here in america and we are aloud to have product confidentiality if people want to develop something they can develop it on their own stop freeloading off other companies...
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Where does the EU get off?
The EU isn't a single person. And its not like they are all getting high and mighty off telling one company to stop monopolizing. And MS isn't a company, it's a corporation. A multi-billion dollar one at that. And it doesn't matter if it is american or not either.
The EU telling MS "what they can and can't do" isn't the issue either. Its the monopolization by packaging WMP with windows that is the issue here.
They've had problems like this before...this is another episode.
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Also, with the upcoming Longhorn MS is going to become even more controlling of personal computers. You will no longer have control over what you have in your machine and they have the right and capability to remove anything they want at will. MS needs to be taken down a few pegs, or else computers are gonna go all to shit real fast.
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| OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #74028] |
Fri, 26 March 2004 21:36 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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| Aircraftkiller |
So? If they want to say that, they're more than entitled to do so. If I sell computers, and I don't want them being sold from retailers with competition side-by-side, then I have every right to tell them to take my products off their shelves.
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It's only illegal enough for an 87 million [I think this is the number, might not be exact] class action lawsuit to win in court against them.
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Do you even do 3D animation or modeling?
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Yes, I'm only 14, but I'm experimenting around with it. I'll have an 8-10 minute long movie out in a couple months, maybe I'll post it up here so you can point out every possible inadequacy.
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Who the fuck buys a Macintosh for 3D animation or modeling when a standard personal computer can do that and everything else a Macintosh can do?
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Because a 2200 dollar dual-processor G5 is blazingly fast when it comes to high-poly renders.
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That's a waste of money. My computer handles 3D animation just fine, I don't need a fucking Macintosh to do it.
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Does it handle 200,000+ poly environments easily?
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Windows machines beat out Macintoshes in every aspect because 95% OF ALL GAMES ARE MADE FOR WINDOWS MACHINES.
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I'm going to use the response XBox users always use for this statement: Macs have HALO! And Blizzard makes all of their games for Macintosh operating systems [at least all the games I know of]
Windows win in every aspect because they have more games? You don't play games when you're happily watching a G5 tear up big renders. It's pretty cool how the dual processors split the render bar coming down so there are two of them. If you don't know what I'm talking about, never mind. It's just cool to watch.
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| OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #74029] |
Fri, 26 March 2004 21:48 |
xptek_disabled
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So? If they want to say that, they're more than entitled to do so. If I sell computers, and I don't want them being sold from retailers with competition side-by-side, then I have every right to tell them to take my products off their shelves.
Do you even do 3D animation or modeling? Who the fuck buys a Macintosh for 3D animation or modeling when a standard personal computer can do that and everything else a Macintosh can do?
That's a waste of money. My computer handles 3D animation just fine, I don't need a fucking Macintosh to do it.
Windows machines beat out Macintoshes in every aspect because 95% OF ALL GAMES ARE MADE FOR WINDOWS MACHINES.
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I own a G5 and I can play any game you can play on your PC with much better performance. Ever heard of a product called Virtual PC? I own all Macs and the one PC I own was provided by my workplace. I can play Renegade with 85+ FPS, render in Maya, and run a FDS is a second instance of VPC all without a hitch. Do at least a little research before dissing Macs.
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| OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #74308] |
Sun, 28 March 2004 05:40 |
NHJ BV
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Where does the EU get off telling a American Company what they can and can't do there is a little thing we call free enterprise here in america and we are aloud to have product confidentiality if people want to develop something they can develop it on their own stop freeloading off other companies...
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The US is completely irrelevant here, because Microsoft also sells their products in the EU, therefor they have to comply with EU laws.
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| OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #74340] |
Sun, 28 March 2004 10:56 |
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Well IMO the key that people are missing is that the main issue is NOT the money. MS, although it would of course not want to pay $600 million, will not die from it.
The REAL issue is the part where MS must provide part of Windows source code to competitors (RealNetworks, Apple) so they can "better integrate" their products with Windows... Plus the part requiring MS to create a separate version of Windows that does not have WMP built-in. This has massive ramifications for Microsoft as Longhorn (the next version of Windows) is much more feature-rich than XP. For example, it has a much stronger and more advanced firewall, it has built-in virus protection (MS bought an anti-virus company to do this) and a whole bunch of other stuff. This would all be disallowed by the EU if the judgement is held...
This is really pathetic as frankly it also comes down to which is a better product. I much prefer WMP over RealPlayer and QuickTime. IMO RealPlayer is simply a mess - the whole thing is so clunky in comparison with WMP, it plays less types of media files, and is overall less straightforward, not to mention the whole thing with file usage info being sent to RealNetworks. At least WMP doesn't invade your privacy nearly as much as Real. As for QuickTime - yeah it's ok - but I only use it to play MOV's as WMP is more flexible file-wise and I just prefer its whole setup....
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| OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #74385] |
Sun, 28 March 2004 15:03 |
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IRON FART
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Do you even do 3D animation or modeling? Who the fuck buys a Macintosh for 3D animation or modeling when a standard personal computer can do that and everything else a Macintosh can do?
That's a waste of money. My computer handles 3D animation just fine, I don't need a fucking Macintosh to do it.
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pffft
Windows handles games best overall. But when you want it to work with high-end graphics, it turns into a high tech shit box. Sad but true.
It can handle low poly graphics. Have you tried using 3dsmax to render simple objects with some kind of PArray or lighting? Takes a while doesn't it?
You can't realistically make a short movie or render something with a bit of complexity on windows. It just doesn't happen.
3dsmax, Rhino3d, Maya, Lightwave3d, Photoshop (and all Adobe products), Final Cut Pro, Wildcat cards... All made for Macintosh simply because its better on a Mac.
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| OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #74585] |
Mon, 29 March 2004 10:04 |
Carl
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Location: Washington, US
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Do you even do 3D animation or modeling? Who the fuck buys a Macintosh for 3D animation or modeling when a standard personal computer can do that and everything else a Macintosh can do?
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Ummm, actually last i checked every 3d animation movie made in the last 10 years that has gone to theaters has been made on apple macintosh PowerPC based computers. But then again, the movie industry has nothing to do with 3D modeling and Rendering does it?
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