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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73711] Thu, 25 March 2004 00:48 Go to next message
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http://www.reuters.com/financeNewsA...storyID=4644001

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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73718] Thu, 25 March 2004 02:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, I read about it. I'm currently making my way through 261 comments on another newssite Razz

Anyway, I don't think this will really hurt MS, although they'll probably try to be a bit more careful in the future. They also appeal this decision, so it could take a while before they really have to pay up.
OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73731] Thu, 25 March 2004 05:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We're sorry! The page you are looking for is not available.


Well that's what that site said when I tried to look at it . . . so what's this about?


OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73735] Thu, 25 March 2004 06:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EU sued Microsoft because they included Media Player in Windows.
OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73740] Thu, 25 March 2004 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll try and get another link.. was working this morning Evil or Very Mad

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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73742] Thu, 25 March 2004 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3550013.stm

And there's the story Smile Also with a bit more info too Smile


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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73744] Thu, 25 March 2004 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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good to hear, but that amount of cash is peanuts to microsoft, considering they have lost nearly $1 billion in funding the billbox (Xbox).

Besides that they will probably just release another patched version of windows xp to cover the costs, in the vein of windows98se.....hmmmm how does this sound Windows XUE sound (Windows eXtremely Unstable Edition) or maybe Office APCE (Annoying Paper Clip Edition)


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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73748] Thu, 25 March 2004 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LoL, i'm stuch a dumbass, i pasted the URL that i saw on the Forums..
http://www.reuters.com/financeNewsArticle.jhtml?type=businessNews&storyID=4644001

^ real URL.. lol

/me = dumbass :rolleyes:

This was taken from another forum..:
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I think it is a disgrace, I think the EU should look at itself, it is making a pile of changes that us, joe public, don't want, aren't they then abusing their position just like they say microsoft are?

I don't understand why people are so hard on Microsoft, if you or I were Bill Gates wouldn't we want to make as much money as possible. Look how many people MS employ, thats good for the economy. The more people that sue microsoft the less money it will have the less people it can empoly the worse of the economy will be.

Ask yourself this, if it weren't for some of the visions of MS where would we be today, chances are sitting in front of windows 95. If Microsoft are so bad and full of bloat ware, why do people buy it, there are plenty of alternatives out there. I can tell you why, because it is a damn good software, yes there are security holes in it, which microsoft are now addressing very seriously. Beside if you made software and big and complex as windows, would it be bug free, i don't very much. The main reason why all the wholes are found in MS software is that hackers hate them so much they focus their efforts on MS products. Let them spend a month on Unix/linux to see what they can do.


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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73749] Thu, 25 March 2004 09:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Funny. If Microsoft's home was in Europe I would almost be certian this would have never gone to trial. I don't think any large US firm will get a fair trial in Europe because there is such an anti-American attitude there. The EU is going to try and sock it to America any way they can.

MS may not be a US gov but it does effect the economy of the US and it will open the door for other countries to hold their own trials against MS. That is where it will hurt MS. Next thing you know Japan, China, Korea, India, Mexico, Canada, Russia and many other countries will use the EU case as a building stone to take down the "Software Giant" and hurt the US economy even more.


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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73752] Thu, 25 March 2004 09:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Funny. If Microsoft's home was in Europe I would almost be certian this would have never gone to trial. I don't think any large US firm will get a fair trial in Europe because there is such an anti-American attitude there. The EU is going to try and sock it to America any way they can.

MS may not be a US gov but it does effect the economy of the US and it will open the door for other countries to hold their own trials against MS. That is where it will hurt MS. Next thing you know Japan, China, Korea, India, Mexico, Canada, Russia and many other countries will use the EU case as a building stone to take down the "Software Giant" and hurt the US economy even more.



Tempting to just pull right out of the World economy. Too bad we created it, and can't extricate ourselves without ruining the economies of these ungrateful pricks.


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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73756] Thu, 25 March 2004 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Funny. If Microsoft's home was in Europe I would almost be certian this would have never gone to trial. I don't think any large US firm will get a fair trial in Europe because there is such an anti-American attitude there. The EU is going to try and sock it to America any way they can.

MS may not be a US gov but it does effect the economy of the US and it will open the door for other countries to hold their own trials against MS. That is where it will hurt MS. Next thing you know Japan, China, Korea, India, Mexico, Canada, Russia and many other countries will use the EU case as a building stone to take down the "Software Giant" and hurt the US economy even more.


You know, the US (some states, IIRC) also sued MS.
OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73762] Thu, 25 March 2004 10:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But the legal system worked.

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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73770] Thu, 25 March 2004 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But the legal system worked.


Because they settled it in the US? It cost MS $1 billion, which is double the fine MS gets in Europe. The point is that competing audio/video playing software has nearly no chance at all against MS's abuse of their (near-)monopoly position, which is pretty true.
OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73789] Thu, 25 March 2004 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Considering that Windows is used on 95% of the computers on the planet,(thought I don't really believe this statistic since the arrival of Linux.) it kinda means shit to Bill Gates.

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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73793] Thu, 25 March 2004 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The point is, by bundling everything together, other companies are unable to sell there product.

How many of you are likely to go buy the Pro edition of RealPlayer?

I'm not going to, I already got the 100% free WMP, it came with my Windows XP (altho I don't use WMP, because winamp is much better)

They are cutting out the competition by makeing it so people don't need to make a choice. If you already have something that does the job, why would you go buy another program that does the same thing?

Lets look at one of the utilties that have been with windows as long as I can remember (3.1) The caculator, now, who (accept an idiot, which there is alot of) is going to go download, or even buy, a caculator for their computer? Its already there! So that locks out all forms of "compitition."

If Microsoft sold their WMP and everything else they bundle together with their Windows operating software, there would be no problem.


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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73794] Thu, 25 March 2004 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Funny. If Microsoft's home was in Europe I would almost be certian this would have never gone to trial. I don't think any large US firm will get a fair trial in Europe because there is such an anti-American attitude there. The EU is going to try and sock it to America any way they can.

MS may not be a US gov but it does effect the economy of the US and it will open the door for other countries to hold their own trials against MS. That is where it will hurt MS. Next thing you know Japan, China, Korea, India, Mexico, Canada, Russia and many other countries will use the EU case as a building stone to take down the "Software Giant" and hurt the US economy even more.



Tempting to just pull right out of the World economy. Too bad we created it, and can't extricate ourselves without ruining the economies of these ungrateful pricks.


Tempting to just pull out of the world economy? You're joking right? Right now we rely heavily on the world economy and would be pretty much fucked if we "pulled out." Of course it would hurt them too, but to think that we're just doing a favor to other countries by participating in the world economy is ignorant.

Anyway, I doubt the fact that they're European has anything to do with it. The US government has also won several cases against MS and overall has fined them much more than the EU did. Both of them came to similar results - MS is an overbearing monopoly that shuts out the competition, so how do you figure that one legal system worked and not the other? Computers would be much better, cheaper, reliable, and more advanced if there was more competition in the market place.


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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73796] Thu, 25 March 2004 14:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The point is, by bundling everything together, other companies are unable to sell there product.

How many of you are likely to go buy the Pro edition of RealPlayer?

I'm not going to, I already got the 100% free WMP, it came with my Windows XP (altho I don't use WMP, because winamp is much better)

They are cutting out the competition by makeing it so people don't need to make a choice. If you already have something that does the job, why would you go buy another program that does the same thing?

Lets look at one of the utilties that have been with windows as long as I can remember (3.1) The caculator, now, who (accept an idiot, which there is alot of) is going to go download, or even buy, a caculator for their computer? Its already there! So that locks out all forms of "compitition."

If Microsoft sold their WMP and everything else they bundle together with their Windows operating software, there would be no problem.


Thing is you are not forced to use Windows Media. Windows Media is a plug-in developed by MS, so why should they be forced to remove it from being included in their OS'? That is like telling GM that they have to put a Ford engine in their cars.


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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73799] Thu, 25 March 2004 15:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Cpo64

The point is, by bundling everything together, other companies are unable to sell there product.

How many of you are likely to go buy the Pro edition of RealPlayer?

I'm not going to, I already got the 100% free WMP, it came with my Windows XP (altho I don't use WMP, because winamp is much better)

They are cutting out the competition by makeing it so people don't need to make a choice. If you already have something that does the job, why would you go buy another program that does the same thing?

Lets look at one of the utilties that have been with windows as long as I can remember (3.1) The caculator, now, who (accept an idiot, which there is alot of) is going to go download, or even buy, a caculator for their computer? Its already there! So that locks out all forms of "compitition."

If Microsoft sold their WMP and everything else they bundle together with their Windows operating software, there would be no problem.


Thing is you are not forced to use Windows Media. Windows Media is a plug-in developed by MS, so why should they be forced to remove it from being included in their OS'? That is like telling GM that they have to put a Ford engine in their cars.


Mazda used to use Ford engines in their Protégé's...


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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73800] Thu, 25 March 2004 15:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73801] Thu, 25 March 2004 15:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, but the engine is a essencal part of the car. The car will not run without the engine.

But if a GM car had GM tires, and a GM sterrio, GM made glass, GM made fabrics, GM refined fuel, GM mined, refined and forged materials. I think there may be a problem.

GM vehicles use parts from several different companies, the CD players, speakers etc are not made by GM, they are simply used, or contracted for use by GM.


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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73809] Thu, 25 March 2004 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How many of you are likely to go buy the Pro edition of RealPlayer?


I won't, because RealNetworks and RealPlayer are fucking pathetic excuses for corporate competition.
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Thing is you are not forced to use Windows Media. Windows Media is a plug-in developed by MS, so why should they be forced to remove it from being included in their OS'? That is like telling GM that they have to put a Ford engine in their cars.


As other people have said, it's more like telling GM they can't use a GM radio or whatever than engine. Telling them not to use the engine would be comparable to a court saying MS must uses Apples source code.

And anyway, although you're not forced to use Windows Media it makes it extremely hard for competition to sell their product. If this software comes standard then many people won't bother to look for any alternatives - or even know that there are alternatives. It totally destroys the marketplace and makes it to where there's very little competition. As ACK said, most of the competition sucks, this is because there's no way that anyone can compete with something that comes free on 90% of all computers. There are better media players out there but few people know about them, if Microsoft didn't have such a monopoly over the industry then we would have much higher quality products.


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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73831] Thu, 25 March 2004 19:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They don't have a monopoly over it. The problem is that Massivesoft does everything bigger and better than everyone else does. Thus people use it.

It's simple economics, supply and demand. You supply something good, there's a demand for it. If Apple were really something worth purchasing, in the eyes of most of the world, I'm sure they'd have been in Massivesoft's position years ago.

That isn't the case. Apple sucks at what they do, Massivesoft doesn't.

While I don't like Windows Media Player much, it certainly beats the hell out of almost every alternative other than WinAmp.

Internet Exploder sucks, too. I prefer Opera over that. Most people don't.
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Well, Microsoft is a little shady when it comes to their operating, I must say.

Just a month or two ago, my dad got a lettter saying that a class-action lawsuit had beaten Microsoft for 87 million or something and everyone could get a share of it. Want to know what the lawsuit was about?

Well, Microsoft had been telling all the computer companies in North Carolina that if they didn't ONLY sell Windows computers they couldn't sell Windows computers at all.

This is, of course, illegal.

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OT: Microsoft have a nice big fine! [message #73836] Thu, 25 March 2004 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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So? If they want to say that, they're more than entitled to do so. If I sell computers, and I don't want them being sold from retailers with competition side-by-side, then I have every right to tell them to take my products off their shelves.

Do you even do 3D animation or modeling? Who the fuck buys a Macintosh for 3D animation or modeling when a standard personal computer can do that and everything else a Macintosh can do?

That's a waste of money. My computer handles 3D animation just fine, I don't need a fucking Macintosh to do it.

Windows machines beat out Macintoshes in every aspect because 95% OF ALL GAMES ARE MADE FOR WINDOWS MACHINES.
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