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Tue, 24 February 2004 16:13   |
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DragonFg
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Wow, that's some serious stuff. Everybody knows it was going to happen anyway, but I didn't think it was this soon. I had my ideas about why we really went to Iraq to fight, and now it seems controling Middle Eastern oil was a big reason. It seems we can only blame humanity itself for generating such a great dependance on oil. As for a solution.....I haven't got a clue.
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| Scary Stuff [message #69094] |
Fri, 27 February 2004 11:34 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Actually, to conserve the use of oil and other fossil fuels, an insanely imple solution is availible.
Step 1: Run water pipes right below your roof
Step 2: Have a flat black roof
This process both heats water for free and keeps one's house insulated. If everyone in America had this renovation to their house it would greatly reduce the dependancy on the U.S.
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| Scary Stuff [message #70408] |
Sun, 07 March 2004 09:14 |
setstyle
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The scriptures aren't very reputable.
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| Scary Stuff [message #70413] |
Sun, 07 March 2004 09:48 |
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Javaxcx
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It is a serious problem that needs to be addressed. As that page says, it's alot like the action on how a story is written.
We started really not to long ago relying on oil as a primary fuel source, so it was really inexpensive back then when it was in abundance and fairly easy to obtain. As we got more of it, it just got cheaper, so we used MORE of it -- and thrived. I agree with the author in that we've already passed the climax of this "story" and are starting to receed. Oil will get scarser, and the cost will increase. As the cost becomes so high, that only the very rich can maintain it, supply and demand will cause simple products like lumber, steel, and plastics to shoot up DRASTICALLY. People will simply not be able to afford basic things that we take for granted now.
It soon will get to a point where we cannot produce affordable electrocity (if we keep blindly thinking that we have an unlimited amount of petrolium) for the entire world (yes, the US isn't the ONLY country out there). When this happens, you'll find you won't have heat one day, then you won't have food, then ultimately, you won't even have clean water -- or water pressure to run your taps for that matter.
I think it's pretty obvious what will happen if all of the above happen in a short time span.
As the author stated, while alternative energy methods can both lower the dependancy on oil, they cannot replace the things such as oil lubricants, plastics, and what not. While I know oil makes a good lubricant, I think a plausible alternative to using oil-based lubricants is to use something basic. For those of you who know anything about Chemistry, bases are slippery. Whether or not they're work for lubrication, I don't know.
Another major factor is time. What was it, 16 years at BEST? Thats not nearly enough time to produce massive amounts of alternative energies... and thats assuming the world finally clues in that this issue NEEDS to be addressed... NOW. I personally get the feeling that people won't clue in till well after it's too late. I'm talking not 5 or 6 years before oil becomes infeasible.
While I don't believe America invaded Iraq for the oil, (which may or may not remain to be seen), Iraq's oil is only a temperary solution. It is far more likely that America will sign an oil contract between the "new Iraq" and themselves to mine and export oil overseas, which sounds a bit more realistic. Again, a temperary solution. Once people see oil flowing in again, they're totally forget that it is STILL in limitted supply.
Of course, I can think of a number of alternative energy plans: Geothermal (which wasn't mentioned on the author's page), oceanic "water wheels", even solar cells installed onto suburban homes to produce energy for the home and releave some of the dependancy on the local power facilities. While I'm sure it doesn't take 16 years to install generators into people's roofs, or mine deep enough to create a geothermic vent, I don't see people doing en masse unless it's appealing to them, and their budgets.
In all likelyhood, something probably will not be done. People nowaday's conform to what is here and now, and almost never heed warnings. How many people do you see littering daily, even though they know they are hurting the earth? People are buying more cars now than ever, less public transit and so on. I don't know if it's arrogence, but if thats the trend and the way it's going, the only people you'll see not going through DRASTIC change in not 20 years, are those who live off the land.
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| Scary Stuff [message #71834] |
Mon, 15 March 2004 16:41 |
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IRON FART
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If people would just switch to using renewable energy, things would be easier. And the fossil fuel supply would stretch out longer.
I know there are quite a few locations where renewable energy is generated and available.
There are some large supplyers in Colorado i believe. South of England, wind is being utilized. And same here in S. Cali.
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| Scary Stuff [message #71886] |
Mon, 15 March 2004 20:11 |
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Javaxcx
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While thats all well and good: Do you think the entire world will click on when you say "We have an oil issue and we'll only have X number of years before we run out of easily-obtainable oil?" I sure hope they do, but chances are, they won't.
Renewable energy sources are a great way to solve the issue, but look at the costs, the amount of energy being produced, and the restrictions on obtaining that energy. Solar power, for example, is cut off by a cloudy day! Again: Time and attitude are the major factors. By the time people clue in, it'll be too late to produce these energy sources on a grande enough scale as to keep the world powered up.
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| Scary Stuff [message #71932] |
Tue, 16 March 2004 07:46 |
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NukeIt15
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Of course, depression can return to prosparity... but again, what happened in the 30's? Oh thats right. WAR kicked the world out of the depression. Only this time, the war will be with knives and sticks because we can't get the fuel for the tanks.
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Maybe, maybe not- there are war machines which do not require petroleum to function- guns, various demolition charges, anti-armor rockets, nuclear ships...ICBM's. If a country cannot use its armor and air power, it is not likely to risk its troops without that support. Long range ballistic missiles don't have that problem, and don't need oil in order to function. The war after this projected oil crash is likely to go nuclear- that is, if that doesn't happen before we run out of oil- then there will be plenty to go around. 
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
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| Scary Stuff [message #71937] |
Tue, 16 March 2004 08:24 |
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Javaxcx
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Of course, depression can return to prosparity... but again, what happened in the 30's? Oh thats right. WAR kicked the world out of the depression. Only this time, the war will be with knives and sticks because we can't get the fuel for the tanks.
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Maybe, maybe not- there are war machines which do not require petroleum to function- guns, various demolition charges, anti-armor rockets, nuclear ships...ICBM's. If a country cannot use its armor and air power, it is not likely to risk its troops without that support. Long range ballistic missiles don't have that problem, and don't need oil in order to function. The war after this projected oil crash is likely to go nuclear- that is, if that doesn't happen before we run out of oil- then there will be plenty to go around.
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Ah yes, but you forget: It takes both electrosity and oil to maintain the machine that produce all those things. Sure the US has a stock of them right now, but that will run out long before the oil crisis is over and done with.
Also, about the troops: I think you'll find that drastic times call for drastic measures. :\
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| Scary Stuff [message #72058] |
Tue, 16 March 2004 17:35 |
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IRON FART
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While thats all well and good: Do you think the entire world will click on when you say "We have an oil issue and we'll only have X number of years before we run out of easily-obtainable oil?" I sure hope they do, but chances are, they won't.
Renewable energy sources are a great way to solve the issue, but look at the costs, the amount of energy being produced, and the restrictions on obtaining that energy. Solar power, for example, is cut off by a cloudy day! Again: Time and attitude are the major factors. By the time people clue in, it'll be too late to produce these energy sources on a grande enough scale as to keep the world powered up.
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I don't expect the whole world to suddenly switch to renewable energy, but countries really need to start to make the transition. The less we rely on fossil fuels, the softer the blow will be when we run out.
I don't expect to live long enough to ever see the whole world powered by renewable energy, but thats how its going to have to be when we run out of oil, gas and coal.
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| Scary Stuff [message #72072] |
Tue, 16 March 2004 18:46 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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And the solution is so simple. Just utilize that fusion furnace, the sun. Once humans take advantage of that, bang, problems go away. However, it will take an enormous amount of implementation to get the world to rely on the sun for power.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Scary Stuff [message #72675] |
Fri, 19 March 2004 04:32 |
NHJ BV
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There's quite still some oil in what's-it-called-in-english, I think tarsands. At the moment, however, its quite expensive to refine, but as the prices will rise there's still enough there for several decennia. Then there's coal: enough for a few centuries. Renewable energy sources aren't by far developed enough to take over the role of fossil fuels anytime soon.
I don't think any of us will see the end of fossil fuels and the complete takeover of renewable energy.
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| Scary Stuff [message #72680] |
Fri, 19 March 2004 05:10 |
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Javaxcx
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Obtaining of any of that so-called "savior oil" won't do much good other than prolong the inevitible. Just watch and see: People will BEGIN to realize there is an issue, then when another source of oil is found to sustain them for 10 more years, they won't go apeshit over trying to find alternatives until the last minute... again.
Read the article again: He says that coal gives off way too much pollution to be used on a grander world-wide scale. If coal could be refined NOT to give off as much pollution, well, who knows.
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| Scary Stuff [message #72684] |
Fri, 19 March 2004 06:22 |
KIRBY098
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The end result is all things come to an end. The oil WILL run out. There's no if about it.
How prepared will we be when that happens? I was reading today that SHELL is in big trouble for overstating thier ready reserves for the last two years. Hmmmm, I wonder why....
It's coming. How ready will we be?
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| Scary Stuff [message #73311] |
Mon, 22 March 2004 16:53 |
setstyle
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What... didn't Shell read their scriptures?
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