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The Meaning of Life [message #68003] Sun, 22 February 2004 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The issue of suffering has been justified in the Bible by saying that God does not interfere with free will. Which seems awfully malevolant to me, seeing how Gos used supernatural forces to smite all the first born in Eqypt, and he also interfered with free will with the Tower of Babil, and the cities of Sodom and Gamora.

Religious fanatics cannot use the rhetoric that "God created the Universe" and then claim that "God didn't smite Egypt... Or Sodom... Or even the ark, because the *insert natural disaster or ghost of death here*." If God created the universe, then he also created the things which were claimed in the Bible (which so many foolishly hold to dear truth and fact without unequivocal evidence) then God DID interfere with freewill and willfully caused suffering.



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The Meaning of Life [message #68005] Sun, 22 February 2004 08:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hmm.. well, I'm realy realy sure there is something which had to create the universe. I mean.. something had to create it. but we don't know who or what made it. some believe "allah" made all this, some believe "god" made these things. I don't know who or what made all this. but something had to create everything. even itself.

The Meaning of Life [message #68008] Sun, 22 February 2004 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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God dont exist, and if he is then ill be dead ( cause of all the shi7 i always say to him) :twisted:

Well uh, what you just said will cause this to be put in hot topics...just becuase of the idiocy of your statement.


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The Meaning of Life [message #68009] Sun, 22 February 2004 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, he's right. It is idiocy. It's ignorant of you to say that God doesn't exist -- without you being in full knowledge of every possible thing in the universe. But hey, if you could explain and define and measure every square nanometer of the universe, you'd have a good arguement.

But you don't. Laughing



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The Meaning of Life [message #68010] Sun, 22 February 2004 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You cant prove that god exists or that he doesnt, that satement is what i belive. It is not idiocy Exclamation
The Meaning of Life [message #68011] Sun, 22 February 2004 09:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You said: God doesn't exist.

You can't make that claim on the grounds of you saying so. Proof it. Until then, you're still an idiot. Smile



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The Meaning of Life [message #68013] Sun, 22 February 2004 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What really bugs me is what actually happens when someone dies. All your thoughts and inner workings of oyur brain are controlled by electricity in it, but when you die, where does this energy go?
Yet there have been people have had "near death" experiences, and they say their "soul" or "conciousness" was no longer part of their body, they were looking down on themselves.
I wonder if there's any connection.... Question


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The Meaning of Life [message #68019] Sun, 22 February 2004 10:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know several people that said they have gone to heaven after going through a new death experience...

My mom for one- she went through a windshield and said she could see the whole scene and she felt herself levitate to a garden where her grandfather(dead) was. Her grandfather spoke the words "What are you doing here, it's not your time," and she aptly left to her body and opened her eyes.

It's weird...there's just some things in life that are too coincidental to not have a miracle behind them...


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The Meaning of Life [message #68020] Sun, 22 February 2004 10:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.


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The Meaning of Life [message #68040] Sun, 22 February 2004 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Most of those are interpreted so vaguely that it's impossible for them *not* to come true one way or another.

Maybe so, but i still think the restoration of the old Roman Empire is becoming real with the European Alliance. It is almost fully covered with the euro system. (Which is also prophicied.) Anyway beyond that.

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Does god love me, and does he care. Yesterday I watched my dog die. He was old and loved and that morning his heart failed. His name was max and he was a 10 year old Belgium sheepdog. Death didn’t come quickly for him, yes I know he was just a dog, but he was also my friend. For 3 hours he gasped for one last breath, all I could do was hold him and hope that he wasn’t in pain. He fought hard. And when it was all over, I wondered why it had happened. I looked at his body and I realized something, he wasn’t there any more. What was on the floor was what was left behind. I’ve seen death before, close up and personal, but somehow the death of this dumb dog affected me more then any other. I think it was because I know I will be going the same way. The doctors never told me I would end up lieing in some bed gasping. And when it is my time to go, because we all came here with our return tickets punched, will god be merciful and let me go in peace. Who knows, I guess ill find out latter.


You may no tbe saying this but i really hate it when people who "don't believe in God". Then they go and blame God when something is wrong. Really bugs me.

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What really bugs me is what actually happens when someone dies. All your thoughts and inner workings of oyur brain are controlled by electricity in it, but when you die, where does this energy go?
Yet there have been people have had "near death" experiences, and they say their "soul" or "conciousness" was no longer part of their body, they were looking down on themselves.
I wonder if there's any connection....


People also try to connect this with astral-projection. If astral-projection is real, supposively we can see our dead relatives. That's actually kinda freaky in my opinion.


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The Meaning of Life [message #68045] Sun, 22 February 2004 12:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It’s hard to tell if there are any answers in the bible. Have you ever read it, and many other scripture? Most people know what they know from Sunday school and the few days at church that their parents dragged them too.

Do I believe in god? Yes and no. I lost my faith when I was young. I am trying to find it again and am having some success. The first thing I did was throw away my bible and start over. I forgot all the things id been taught and threw away all the preconceptions, I don’t think god would want me to hate any of his creations. Gay-straight-colored-welsh- . If god is out there in some shape or form I will find him, or oddly enough, her. And then I will ask.

Does god love me, and does he care. Yesterday I watched my dog die. He was old and loved and that morning his heart failed. His name was max and he was a 10 year old Belgium sheepdog. Death didn’t come quickly for him, yes I know he was just a dog, but he was also my friend. For 3 hours he gasped for one last breath, all I could do was hold him and hope that he wasn’t in pain. He fought hard. And when it was all over, I wondered why it had happened. I looked at his body and I realized something, he wasn’t there any more. What was on the floor was what was left behind. I’ve seen death before, close up and personal, but somehow the death of this dumb dog affected me more then any other. I think it was because I know I will be going the same way. The doctors never told me I would end up lieing in some bed gasping. And when it is my time to go, because we all came here with our return tickets punched, will god be merciful and let me go in peace. Who knows, I guess ill find out latter.

The meaning of life. There isn’t one. I can tell you how it ends, you spend enough time in old peoples homes and in hospitals. You begin to realize. Lots of people die alone. They die cold and damaged, a body so ravaged by arthritis the old woman has to lie on a water bed and cant even sit up. A mind is a terrible thing to waste, does that help with Parkinson’s? There are people out there who live in a living hell, a damaged mind can not be fixed, and very few people are willing to talk to old an man who doesn’t know where his wife is and can’t recognize their sons. It gets worse though, its hard to be there when the old man wakes up and he knows where he is and for a few moments knows what’s happened to him. I can’t deal with that.

- The most fucked up thing about all of this, if you live long enough you will become one of these poor souls. After all every one dies, but before that baring injury or illness, you have to get old. I wonder some times if god loves these people. Or if he created life to let it suffer.

Is he out there at all, or did he lose interest when we murdered his son? He hasn’t shown up here in a while, not to any religion.

Life is sacred. And it’s cheap. The meaning of life? Live it and find out. And don’t believe everything people tell you. In the end religious words are just words.


Some strong words. Very well said.


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The Meaning of Life [message #68046] Sun, 22 February 2004 12:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No I wasn’t. I don’t blame god for old age. I am just trying to make sense of all the things that happen. If I wanted to blame god I would have said so.

To think that we are made of the stuff of stars. The atoms in our bodies were created millions of years ago when a star went nova. All the things that came together, every asteroid, every chance collision, from water falling from comets to the first single cell that said 'fuck it-let there be life'. And there was life. All of these came together in the multitude of possibilities to create me. Do you have any idea what the chances were that you were born. So as far as I’m concerned, I’m going to try and figure it out. I'm going to be on this earth for a while. So I need something to do.

I read somewhere that the living world was dreamt in to existence. Sometimes I think that’s true. Maybe we are here because the world, or maybe even the universe started to dream. So are we just a symptom of something larger.

Another thought. Where was I before I was born? And where will I go when I die? Do I rot as a peace of flesh within this body, my brain within my skull. Or do I get to have another turn. When I close my eyes for the last time will I see - Game Over - Continue?
Will I wake up some place else.
Or will I just fade away.

I read in another forum-. 'I died long ago and went to hell, and now I’m here.' It kinda made sense.


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The Meaning of Life [message #68051] Sun, 22 February 2004 13:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There are many theories on what life really is. For example, we are able to think logically and consciously. What exactly enables us to do this? Everything in our bodies is controlled by our brain, which is nothing but an organ that tranmits electrical impulses to our nerves. How do we store memories? How are we able to reason?

These are very intruiguing questions.

Also, I believe that there is a possibility that a celestial being might exist. While it is imposible to tell how our God looks like, or what he can and can't tolerate, we set our own standards on what can be morally right. The Bible, Torah, and Koran are not definite proof that a god exists up there; it is but a bunch of stories that have morals which can be applied to us to make our lives better.

Everything is a theory; God, evolution, plate tectonics, how the universe came to be. We just are not sure, and perhaps that is what makes us unique.


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The Meaning of Life [message #68089] Sun, 22 February 2004 14:49 Go to previous message
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Have you ever wonderd what happens to people who die? Some say that death is the end and nothing else happens but if so wouldn't life be meaning less? I belive that there must be some thing else after death. Maybe this reality is actualy a test in some whole new realm of being that we are not able to currently compreahend.

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