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I knew already that Boys' State teaches young adults about government, but here's a link to a Boy's State group in Tennessee that explains it well:
http://www.tntech.edu/tnboysstate/aboutboysstate.htm
Boys' State is like Model UN or FFA, it's an extracurricular activity group that students can be a part of to learn more about a subject. It's not a school in itself.
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Well, Crimson, we will say whether you vote democrat or republican....just keep coming back and I can throw facts at you all day.
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Um, I don't understand what you mean by this. I don't think you can physically move my hand when I'm in the ballot box and make me check something that goes against what I believe.
I find it quite laughable that you think there are "Republican lies" in the media. I believe the lies are Democrat lies. Especially when you look at the political affiliations of who owns the media outlets...
As for "government people", you are trying to belittle my words. I said "government officials", so don't put quote marks around words to quote things that I didn't, in fact, say. That's a very clever little debate tactic but I see right though it. Also, the media isn't part of the government, so I don't see how I would say "government officials" when the people in question are media reps. They are not media reps. Dumbass.
The only name I know off the top of my head is Frances Emma Barwood whom my dad corresponds with frequently.
And yes, I am in fact a Constitutionalist. Don't DARE tell me what my opinions ARE. You can TRY to change my opinions, but it's not up to you whether or not I change my mind. EVER.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65060] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 15:41 |
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im really glad, nodbugger, that you can figure out simple things like some kids dont want to learn, but money is not the only issue about schools and i am sure i didnt say that it wasnt i did bring up the point that we do need money from taxes for new books etc., etc. which you also agreed. hmmm sounds like someone is a pissed off conservaitve!! whats he gonna do?
make up bullshit lies like the "liberal bias" media (ahem Crimson) you have got to be kidding! well get to that later though
back to schools with bush's no child left behind policy my kid is going to be in a normal english class with people who do not want to learn. this is stupid because students who do want to excel and learn are going to have problems with students who could care less.
Crimson . . . liberal propaganda. im sorry those periods were me laughing uncontrollably. firstly we have dianne sawyer asking bush questions and he replying "neither in french, nor spanish, nor mexican" and such other classics like "bring it on" and he is a glorious good christian and he is right because "God chose him" and God is ALWAYS right no matter what. Meanwhile Howard Dean makes an excellent speech and ends it with a scream.
APOCALYPSE NOW!!!!!!!!! HE IS AN EVIL MAN AND SHOULD NOT BE PPRESIDENT BECAUSE HE SCREAMED!!!!!"
this so called "liberal propaganda" is a joke and you know it.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65062] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 15:46 |
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So that's Boy's State...well, looks cool, but I'd never be caught going there willingly.
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Um, I don't understand what you mean by this. I don't think you can physically move my hand when I'm in the ballot box and make me check something that goes against what I believe.
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I never said I'd be following you when you go to the polls. That would be a big waste of my time. What I can do is influence you by disproving Bush enough to make you take another look.
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I find it quite laughable that you think there are "Republican lies" in the media. I believe the lies are Democrat lies.
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I, on the other hand, find it quite laughable that you can't see the Republican lies in the media. [If it means anything, when I say lies in the media I mean lies that the media reports but doesn't bother showing them for what they really are] For instance, you were talking about Clinton stealing furniture from the White House...LIE!. Rush Limbaugh is in the media, right? Pretty much 3/4 of the things he says are lies. One time he even said styorfoam is more biodegradeable than paper. [This is a lie, too.] I could make a big list if you want me to, but looking at it while I type would probably hurt my eyes. Bush jr. is a nice little show of lies, as well. Just look at his speech about his budget. He's calling a 521 billion dollar budget, which is still big, but neglected to add the cost of being in Iraq, the single biggest expenditure of our country right now, to his budget. He also neglected to count his tax cuts. The money he cut from taxes is still there in his budget. That ain't math. That's a lie. When you say to look at media outlet affiliations, this another nice spot to put some facts like, i don't know, NAMES. Or at least something to verify what you said.
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As for "government people", you are trying to belittle my words. I said "government officials", so don't put quote marks around words to quote things that I didn't, in fact, say. That's a very clever little debate tactic but I see right though it. Also, the media isn't part of the government, so I don't see how I would say "government officials" when the people in question are media reps. They are not media reps. Dumbass.
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Perhaps I misphrased myself. I think media rep was the wrong word. I meant people who work for important political figures who handle the media. THESE are the people who would like random little stupid things to say about Clinton. As for "Government people", I apologize. I should have said "Government officials"
Hee hee, I looked up Frances Emma Barwood, and one of her big things to [I guess] attract votes is demand an explanation for every UFO sighting over Arizona. And she was apparently a high-ranking government official in that she was on the City Council and was once even....Dum Da Da DUM DUM!!! Vice-Mayor. High-ranking in that holding any rank in the government is considered high.
If you don't mind me asking, what exactly is a constitutionalist? I've never heard the term before. Also, I would have taken back my statement about you being a Republican if you hadn't called me a:
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65067] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 16:30 |
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And yes it is. Sure schools need uodtaed text books and computers and basic stuff. But the money that school districts are getting now mostly go towards teachers paychecks. Not the schools.
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My high school used to be one of the top schools in the state, but it isn't anymore...the building is just now undergoing the first renovation it's had in 30 years, and the renovated parts have already started falling apart. Most of the busses failed their safety inspections, but are used all the time anyway. The teachers are not overpaid; many of them have been there for several decades and still don't get what they deserve.
I don't know if you're aware of this, but many states have laws that force schools to always take the lowest bid when hiring bus companies, buying computers, doing renovations, etc. That has nothing to do with the federal government, it's something the state decides. And guess what? The governor (McGreevey, or McGreedy, whichever you want to call him...) and most of the legislature in NJ is democrat. They COULD change that, but they aren't. The money isn't going to the schools, it isn't going to teachers or anyone but the politicians.
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back to schools with bush's no child left behind policy my kid is going to be in a normal english class with people who do not want to learn. this is stupid because students who do want to excel and learn are going to have problems with students who could care less.
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I just LOVE that one. That statement assumes that EVERY person who does poorly at something does not care about it, and that could not be more wrong. The "No Child Left Behind" thing is slightly skewed, as well...it fails to take into account personal learning styles and the speed at which some people learn. That tries to force everyone to go along at the same speed, cramming information in that can't be absorbed fast enough. There ARE people who don't care, that's true...but more frequently it's just someone who learns in a different way than how the teacher is teaching. That is not a lack of interest; it's a failure in communication.
Both parties are equally corrupt and equally cash-hungry, it's just a question of who happens to support more of your issues during an election... at the moment, more of the issues I support are being supported by Bush. That's not to say there aren't things I don't like about him...a more appropriate phrase would be: I hate him LESS than the other guy.
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived of the use of them." - Thomas Paine
Remember, kids: illiteracy is cool. If you took the time to read this, you are clearly a loser who will never get laid. You've been warned.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65070] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 16:57 |
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I just LOVE that one. That statement assumes that EVERY person who does poorly at something does not care about it, and that could not be more wrong. The "No Child Left Behind" thing is slightly skewed, as well...it fails to take into account personal learning styles and the speed at which some people learn. That tries to force everyone to go along at the same speed, cramming information in that can't be absorbed fast enough. There ARE people who don't care, that's true...but more frequently it's just someone who learns in a different way than how the teacher is teaching. That is not a lack of interest; it's a failure in communication.
when did i say that all peoplewho do poorly do not care? i said that they are put in classes with people who dont care AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM AROUND. yes that is true communication can be an issue but at the sam time it can make almost no diference at all. i am legally blind and it was a bit of a challenge for me going through school. but i still got exceptional grades . . . of course this is only me . . . but im saying if i can do it there is a chance that other people will be able to do it as well. however, you did present a good point and supported it cohereantly unlike crimson and her "poster" which got huge critical acclaim for a nut obsessed with UFO's. that i will give you props for.
"You all stare but you'll never see/ There's someting inside me" - Corey Taylor
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There is a fair chance that at this moment I am being hunted by a demonic monkey from Central America. Please don't tell him I've been here. Please. I don't know what he wants.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65071] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 17:00 |
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the top half of my last post was supposed to be quote. unfortunately i could not figure out how to . . .
"You all stare but you'll never see/ There's someting inside me" - Corey Taylor
Life is strange when you must lock your door in fear of your cat
Sometimes when I'm all alone I stare at my goldfish, and think about how much I hate fishticks, then I realize that I don't have a goldfish.
There is a fair chance that at this moment I am being hunted by a demonic monkey from Central America. Please don't tell him I've been here. Please. I don't know what he wants.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65078] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 17:43 |
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That would work too, but it's really a case of the lesser of the two evils. I'd rather keep Bush and make sure things like the space program and the second amendment stay firmly in place (plus, there's always the changing presidents in the middle of a war thing...especially if he wants to press on and the dems want to back off) than change presidents and have some new nincompoop screw everything up. 
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Have you ever possibly considered that Bush doesn't always carry through on what he says he does? Apparently, the answer is a resounding "NO". If you payed any attention to the news, you might catch on. My 2 cents is to read the New York time for 3 weeks straight. And here comes Bush saying that we have to go to the moon? Why? No reason, really. He just wants to start big, expensive government programs to fool people in to thinking that he has the country under control, when in real life the space program is one of the last things we need to be starting. Ahh, the second amendment? That's just an ancient amendment made way back when the country was very, very different, and America was still a fledgling country and was still under threat from invasion. Nowadays, the only reason anyone needs a gun in their home is for hunting, there is very little reason to have a gun in one's home for personal defence. You're about 30 times more likely to shoot a family member than a robber. Although, one of the big reasons I don't like the NRA [they definitly sponsor the second amendment] is because they are so crooked when they come to politics. They bribe people left and right to keep the second amendment alive.
You know, there never really was a "War" in Iraq. it was more like an armed beatdown. For this reason, the U.S. doesn't really need a huge military presence in Iraq any more. All they do now is sit around and take pot shots at the odd extremist group. And Bush is lying about how much the war is costing us. When he submitted his budget to Congress, he conveniently left out the "War" in Iraq, the biggest expenditure by this country right now. Do you really want to vote for a president who uses lies to try and convince people that he is actually a good president. And none of those democratic presidential candidates are a "nincompoop". Except Lieberman, I'll give you that. But he isn't going to get on the ballot against Bush anyway. Moving on, how would any of the other candidates screw things up in Iraq? The fact that someone said that earlier in this post doesn't make it true. None of them are just going to make every last troop pack up and leave as soon as they get into office.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65082] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 18:10 |
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Ok, now the gun piont. Your wrong. Old people have the most guns..why? Well becuase they are scared. Now thats a reason. Having guns is something nice. It allows us to defend ourselves.
And no Iraq was a war. People did die or get injured. My dad will be home within a few days after being there for 1 year.
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This was an interesting post because you cleverly ignored at least half of my post about Bush not following through on what he says. Why? Because I'm right.
So...old people have the most guns....I'd actually be inclined to believe you iif you had put numbers in to support this. If you don't know exactly what the numbers are and don't want to do any research to figure it out, then your point matters not to me. Seems to me like I've been talking numbers and all you other people come up with these piddly-ass comebacks. ESPECIALLY yours, bugger. It's almost like you're trying to avoid logic and facts by always coming back without numbers. Next time, don't make a post unless you have facts to back it up. Because I won't be paying any attention.
People dying doesn't constitute a war. First, dying is something people do. When American soldiers stationed around the world get attacked by a small militant group, it's not called a war, but people often die. While it's good for you that your dad will be coming back home soon, that has pretty much no relevance to this topic. I think everyone here already knew that people went off to fight in Iraq. While your definition of a war might be whenever the media calls it a war, mine is when two countries of fairly level military power fight each other an actually get in a big fight instead of one side just getting creamed by the other.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65083] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 18:10 |
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If you don't mind me asking, what exactly is a constitutionalist? I've never heard the term before. Also, I would have taken back my statement about you being a Republican if you hadn't called me a:
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Well, see, if you hadn't pelted me with all the ad-hominem, I wouldn't have had to show you a taste of your own medicine. Bitter, isn't it?
And just because your first google search for Frances Emma Barwood turned up something about UFOs doesn't discredit her as an individual. Furthermore, as I said, it's the only name I recall at the moment.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65085] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 18:12 |
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yeah good point superfly, why are we exactly going to the moon? we KNOW there is nothing there except friggin rocks! also it is the last thing we need with the 465 billion dollar DEFICIT (crimson are you happy) we are facing right now!!!
another thing the war on iraq is it just me or was it just a war? werent we supposed to be fighting terrorists? i though osama was in afghanistan. and if we werent fighting terrorists when it comes to iraq, why does bush always mention 9-11 and terrorists? also every premis for the war was kind of moronic. the only good thing that came from it was saddam being captured (note: georgie was on the TV all day when that happened and wasnt he the hero of the century. i knoow that is so LIBERAL BIAS!) MWD's we never found and what is this about liberating the people. liberating doesn't usually involve forcing our beliefs and ideologies on them, does it? and if the people are so happy in Iraq, why is it that almost every day i hear about soe suicide bombing? they're terrorists right? once again i thought osama and the other "evil doers" he hangs out with were in afghanistan.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65086] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 18:15 |
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cut the drama crimson what "bitter medicine" superfly has given about a hundred statistics and last time i checked all you did was talk about a poster that as of yet does not exist or mean anything.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65087] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 18:20 |
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Well, see, if you hadn't pelted me with all the ad-hominem, I wouldn't have had to show you a taste of your own medicine. Bitter, isn't it?
And just because your first google search for Frances Emma Barwood turned up something about UFOs doesn't discredit her as an individual. Furthermore, as I said, it's the only name I recall at the moment.
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Well, I guess we're even for the moment on name-calling.
No, my first google search result is NOT what I used for defining my opinion of Frances Emma Barwood. I looked at the whole first page from google, and the whole first page from Ask Jeeves, and I got fairly correlating results, at least enough to verfy my opinion on her, in that she has a big thing for UFOs. And if it's the only name that you know of, you could have concievably just called your father and asked him for some names, since you said that he is in contact with these government people, he would probably have a phone.
Oh, and you never answered my question about what a consititutionalist was, and I am actuaally fairly interested in figuring out what one is. Please don't neglect things like this in the future.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65094] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 19:04 |
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The best reference I can find at the moment is here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jmarkels/cp.html
I suppose my dad summed it up well:
"I demand that the country be run the constitution that all in the government have sworn an oath to uphold!!! Silly thought I know!"
Llama Man, I'm not the one who pointed out the difference in "deficit" and "debt" wording.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65095] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 19:05 |
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN SUPERFLYINGENGL IS GOING FOR THE TOUCHDOWN HE RUNS PAST NODBUGGER AND EASILY DODGES CRIMSON HES GOING HES GOING . . HE'S GONNA MAKE IT . . . TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"You all stare but you'll never see/ There's someting inside me" - Corey Taylor
Life is strange when you must lock your door in fear of your cat
Sometimes when I'm all alone I stare at my goldfish, and think about how much I hate fishticks, then I realize that I don't have a goldfish.
There is a fair chance that at this moment I am being hunted by a demonic monkey from Central America. Please don't tell him I've been here. Please. I don't know what he wants.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65097] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 19:07 |
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Such posts are counterproductive, irrelevant, and unnecessary.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65098] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 19:09 |
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hey crimson sorry bout the deficit, debt crack i will take ownership for my mistake
on the other hand stick that in your pipe and smoke it nodbugger!!!!!!
"You all stare but you'll never see/ There's someting inside me" - Corey Taylor
Life is strange when you must lock your door in fear of your cat
Sometimes when I'm all alone I stare at my goldfish, and think about how much I hate fishticks, then I realize that I don't have a goldfish.
There is a fair chance that at this moment I am being hunted by a demonic monkey from Central America. Please don't tell him I've been here. Please. I don't know what he wants.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65100] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 19:10 |
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my bad . . . i just feel its my "CONSTITUTIONALIST" duty to spice things up alittle on this forum, no offense crimson . . . well yeah actuallly . . . but nothing personal
"You all stare but you'll never see/ There's someting inside me" - Corey Taylor
Life is strange when you must lock your door in fear of your cat
Sometimes when I'm all alone I stare at my goldfish, and think about how much I hate fishticks, then I realize that I don't have a goldfish.
There is a fair chance that at this moment I am being hunted by a demonic monkey from Central America. Please don't tell him I've been here. Please. I don't know what he wants.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65107] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 20:26 |
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OK, I got the Clinton poster... entitled "A Course of Conduct: The Clinton Legacy". It had as least 50 individual facts and figures, so it'll be a bit before I have them typed up.
I'm the bawss.
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| OT: Political IQ Test [message #65110] |
Wed, 04 February 2004 20:42 |
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hooray we finally here the controversial poster!!!!!!!!!! please be sure to list reliable sources and etc.
"You all stare but you'll never see/ There's someting inside me" - Corey Taylor
Life is strange when you must lock your door in fear of your cat
Sometimes when I'm all alone I stare at my goldfish, and think about how much I hate fishticks, then I realize that I don't have a goldfish.
There is a fair chance that at this moment I am being hunted by a demonic monkey from Central America. Please don't tell him I've been here. Please. I don't know what he wants.
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