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pooling resorces [message #63526] Sun, 25 January 2004 08:10 Go to next message
dufis791 is currently offline  dufis791
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ok, from the origional topic:
http://www.renegadeforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=63485#63485
apparently ACK is scared of this. all he did was lock the topic so noone could agree. how bout this: E-mail me at Dufis791@netscape.net if you agree, and if ACK gets to this topic first. letts not let him ruin us.


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pooling resorces [message #63529] Sun, 25 January 2004 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's not gonna happen.

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pooling resorces [message #63531] Sun, 25 January 2004 08:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and y not? what harm can it do? oh yea, over through ACKs regime of terror!!

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pooling resorces [message #63536] Sun, 25 January 2004 09:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It has been discussed many times before but it always ends in flames, spam, bumps, etc...

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pooling resorces [message #63539] Sun, 25 January 2004 10:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yea, cause ACK gets in on it. I have already got one reply e-mail from someone, I wont release there email provider, but their s/n for it is "andrew.darke" aslong as ACK dont find this/lock it, we should be fine

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pooling resorces [message #63559] Sun, 25 January 2004 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Theory 1
It's because people care more about getting their name in public, and making it seem like they're better than everyone else, this goes for many people in the community, everyone else is just crappy at modding.

Theory 2
The community is just....stupid, it's a bunch of 12 year-olds who try to make mods and realize it takes work, then they quit. A team of them doing anything has a life expectency of about 11 minutes


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pooling resorces [message #63561] Sun, 25 January 2004 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thats y this should be done.....credit should be given.....this will require honesty.

basically its just using the GPL (GNU Public Licence)

credit is given, and its free. the more in on this, the better maps that can result


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pooling resorces [message #63659] Mon, 26 January 2004 13:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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this topic has been unlocked by me, there doesn't seem to be anything offensive, etc... in this topic.


If you guys want to talk about a mod, no problem, but lay off the moderator flaming, as that is an offensible problem.


This all sounds like a half way decent idea, but you guys really need to do more modding then talking, that happens a lot, people say "i want to do this mod with all this kewl stuff", they disappear for a month, then come back and say they canceled it, or something.

Good luck, and keep those modding thoughts going, just don't forget to actually mod.


pooling resorces [message #63687] Mon, 26 January 2004 15:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thanx......yea, im just proposing this idea.
as i dont have alot of time to mod (hate school, lol)
was working on a mod, still plan to, but it must wait till this summer Sad

bout the mod flaming.....the thing bout that is ACK seems to flame others....constantly. couldn't he just help ppl instead of saying that they're stupid for not knowing?

neway w/e....

thanx alot though dante


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pooling resorces [message #63693] Mon, 26 January 2004 16:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ACK does do criticise a lot, I will admit. But he is a very good mapper and deserves respect. But I would definately be on the side of asking him to try being either more helpful, or less active on some posts from noob mappers.
I mean come on ACK, even you had to start at some point, right? No body just downloads a program and knows it all just like that. And even if you found out by not asking help, working with Westwood, and from your own trial and error, no body criticises you for learning your own way.
So let people learn theirs. If you think it's n00bish or whatever, don't insult them because of it. If anything, give them a good comment to get them started.
After all, any mapper that maps for credit is a failure. A mapper who maps for their own personal pleasure, credit or not, successful or not, is a good mapper.
It isn't the quantity of your good maps, it's your effort and thoughts put into a map. Sure, you have a hell of a lot of really nicely made maps, Aircraftkiller, but I'm sure you would have a mental if somebody stole something out of it.
It's you're property, don't get me wrong, but it isn't anything to put others down over. I've helped people with models and maps and sometimes I don't get credited. And then I laugh about how people think it's so good, and that he's such a good mapper, and I feel great because I did it, credit or not.
By the time we're all 30, no body will remember anyone, so just make maps and be happy and play them on servers and THINK to yourself about how successful your map became, and don't BRAG about how you made the map and how successful it became.

I don't know about you guys, but credit seems to be making this earth just another rock in space to me.


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pooling resorces [message #63725] Mon, 26 January 2004 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I just don't understand ACK. It looks as if he always criticises people, and often goes over the top on bad criticism. He's obsessed with getting credit for everything he made and owns. Yet, if you atually talk to him for a little while (or read his weblog) you'd find he's not really as much of a pain in the butt as he appears to be, doesn't make much sense to me, he's just a weird guy.

Now back on topic.... If anyone is willing to somehow organize the community to work together, please step forward.


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pooling resorces [message #63730] Mon, 26 January 2004 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Im onboard for working together, Smile

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pooling resorces [message #63741] Mon, 26 January 2004 21:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is a sort of pooling of resources going on that isn't really public knowledge yet. OrcaPilot knows what I am talking about

*slaps self* SHUT UP!
pooling resorces [message #63743] Mon, 26 January 2004 21:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can "pool resources" all you want, the problem lies with YOU, not the resources.

YOU don't do anything for Renegade. YOU whine and complain. YOU don't produce anything.

If there's ANYONE to blame for this game's so-called "demise," it's this community as a whole.
pooling resorces [message #63748] Mon, 26 January 2004 23:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Please stop locking this topic.

I'm the bawss.
pooling resorces [message #63757] Tue, 27 January 2004 00:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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/me wonders who the "you" is that Ack is refering too...

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pooling resorces [message #63764] Tue, 27 January 2004 01:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's locked because this is obviously nothing more than a complaint-fest in feigned disguise.

"lets blame someone else for our problems so we don't have to do anything!"

"YEAH! IT'S ALL HIS FAULT!"

"YEAH!"
pooling resorces [message #63765] Tue, 27 January 2004 01:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's not all his fault... It's mine! I haven't learned how, so I blame me. I have some creative ideas sometimes... Blame me!

pooling resorces [message #63769] Tue, 27 January 2004 06:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If this was a mod that this was about, than getting a team to create it is great, but just a single fucking map? That's the same thing as asking in a thread to get a team together to create a single model, or a single skin, or a cursor, it's fucking stupid. These things are supposed to be created by a single person, not having one person model the terrain, than someone else apply the texture, than someone else adding buildings, etc. that's like having someone model the turret, than someone model the treads, than someone model the body, etc. of a vehicle model.

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pooling resorces [message #63776] Tue, 27 January 2004 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How is that different from having one person make a vehicle model, another one texture it, and another one bone it?

I think a big factor on the community's ability to make quality work has to do with the amount of public knowledge about modding Renegade. There's only a few good tutorials scatterd throughout various websites, and not really any central "from start to finish" map/model ect. making tutorial that covers all aspects in the involved processes, I see very few people who can make near-WS quality maps, I think it's because they had to teach themselves and don't know the best ways to make maps.


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pooling resorces [message #63785] Tue, 27 January 2004 10:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can "pool resources" all you want, the problem lies with YOU, not the resources


Tutorials at Dantes ModX including RenHelp & Renegade Mod FAQ
General Havoc's Tutorial Collection
Läubi's Tutorial Collection
Easy Terrain by Genocide
Harvester without WF/Airstrip by Läubi
Alpha-Blending by Killer Bee
Using the Boolean Tool by Captkurt
Texturing your map by Captkurt
Stealth Zones by General Havoc
Flag Tutorial by General Havoc
Teleport Tutorial by General Havoc
Working Teleporters by General Havoc
UVW Skin Tutorial by Läubi
Creating Basic Terrain by SomeRhino
Animated Computer Screens by StoneRook
Making Doors by Läubi
Harvester Pathfinding by Läubi
Weapon Hand Positions by Läubi
Vehicle Boning by BrainSpitter
Making a MIX Format Map by CaptKurt
How To Use Text Cinematics by Dante
Renegade Modding FAQ by General Havoc & Stonerook
LevelEdit Commands by Captkurt
Creating Water by Captkurt
Mesh Smoothing by Genocide
How to create a Weapon by Läubi
Aggregates and Emitters by Bumpaneer
Tank Tutorial by Killakanz
Boolean Tutorial Video by Havoc89
Ingrownlip's Tutorials Collection
Proxy Bone Tutorial by StoneRook
Shadow Projection Tutorial by StoneRook
Animated Computer Screens Tutorial by StoneRook
Damage Aggregates with Parent/Child by StoneRook
GLB Plugin for 3DSMax Tutorial by Michael Little
Eqvaliser´s Tutorials Page by Eqvaliser
Dedicated VIS tutorial for the Dedicated by YSLMuffins

There are some useful (SOME) tutorials here such as vis and how to make .mix. They are perfect examples of tutorials that are specific and to the point. Unfortunately, some of the elites in mapping however angry they get at us for asking questions about mapping fail to realize that there are huge gaps in the process of starting more than a basic map. I must say most of these tutorials, along with cnc den and then hq arent adequate enough once we pass the basic map understanding into more advanced skills. Kinda like going from 6th to 10th grade.

edit-I know there are more sites on mapping, but they prove vague or repetitive as well.


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pooling resorces [message #63788] Tue, 27 January 2004 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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How is haveing a team for one map a bad idea?

Say the map has new buildings, new vehicles, new weapons, and new characters. Would it still be a bad idea to have a team work on it? Maps are more then just the terrain...

Unlike a skin, or a cursor where there is only one part, a map has many parts. Haveing people working on individual parts does not seem like a problem to me.


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pooling resorces [message #63794] Tue, 27 January 2004 12:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah, so what you want is for people to hold your hand and walk you everywhere like a two year old child? How about we spoon feed you, too? You need to do MOST of it on your own, that's why the tutorials are made, so you can help yourself, not have someone babying you over it.

For your sake, I sincerely hope that you don't have this mentality in real life.
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Cpo64

Say the map has new buildings, new vehicles, new weapons, and new characters.


Yes, that's called a mod! Change enough of those and it's called a total conversion!


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no one was blaming anyone. now, if ppl where good at one thing, combined w/ others good at other things, then that would work. get good at one thing, and help the comunity with that one thing. and others do the same. then ppl can put that together in their maps, with some things of their own. dont hide your modles, SHARE them! Smile i know i would, but i suck at making modles, and my maps are soso.

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