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| Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54207] |
Thu, 06 November 2003 22:30   |
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Dante
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The novel suggests that Jesus married and fathered a child with Mary
Magdalene who, in order to keep the child safe, fled the Middle East with a
group of early Christians. These refugees settled in the south of France,
and from them came a line of French kings known as the Merovingians. Brown's
theory—which is based on old legends and forms the backdrop for his novel—is
that the existence of Jesus' descendants was kept a secret by a group of
loyal cultists well into the 20th century. The leaders of this society,
called the Priory of Sion, included prominent men from science, politics,
and the arts, including Galileo, Isaac Newton, and Leonardo Da Vinci.
RenEvo
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| Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54339] |
Sat, 08 November 2003 00:16 |
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TheMouse
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hmmm.... This is all very interesting, but not what I heard. This is how the movie goes, according to pointlesswasteoftime.com's The Matrix: Revolutions Trailer Analysis:
The kid from Animatrix who freed himself from the system and who is seen in exactly one minute of Reloaded, single-handedly fends off the army of Sentinels, then takes over the Architect's body and becomes ruler of the virtual universe. This means he is really The One, rather than the man we all thought was The One: the guy playing the harp in the background during Cypher's restaurant scene;
The war between the humans and the machines finally ends in a truce, with humans still enslaved by the Matrix and living in underground craphole Zion (this could also be interpreted as a 100% victory for the machines, I suppose);
Neo sacrifices his own life to make this possible (that is, to get things back to exactly where they were at the beginning of the first film);
The film then ends with a black screen, with big white letters that say:
"Fuck you, Audience."
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| Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54373] |
Sat, 08 November 2003 11:05 |
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boma57
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1 thing still comfuses me: If all of the people that want to leave the matrix actually do leave, then how will the machines get power? Wouldn't this piss them off enough to go and finish off zion? Are they going to tell everyone in the Matrix that it isn't real and that they should go to the real world? Who would really want to live in zion? If i was in zion, I would be plugged in straight time having fun in the matrix.
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You know how in the first movie, Morpheus & friends have to free Neo through that big long process while avoiding agents? Well, now, people who "are ready" to be set free simply will be without the hastle, and they won't have to worry about sentinel attacks, etc in the real world. People like Cypher on the other hand, who are happy in the Matrix, will be left inside.
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| Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54395] |
Sat, 08 November 2003 14:04 |
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Renx
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1 thing still comfuses me: If all of the people that want to leave the matrix actually do leave, then how will the machines get power? Wouldn't this piss them off enough to go and finish off zion? Are they going to tell everyone in the Matrix that it isn't real and that they should go to the real world? Who would really want to live in zion? If i was in zion, I would be plugged in straight time having fun in the matrix.
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You know how in the first movie, Morpheus & friends have to free Neo through that big long process while avoiding agents? Well, now, people who "are ready" to be set free simply will be without the hastle, and they won't have to worry about sentinel attacks, etc in the real world. People like Cypher on the other hand, who are happy in the Matrix, will be left inside.
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yes, but don't the machines need the people in the matrix for a source of energy? If half the people in the matrix were set free, the machines would lose half of their energy source.
~Canucck
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| Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54442] |
Sun, 09 November 2003 00:27 |
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bigwig992
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Yeah I saw revolutions tonight. It was pretty great. Personally I thought the ending sucked, expecting a full explanation, maybe a nice big scene with humans and the machines sharing a beer would be sufficient, but it was a cliff hanger, I was expecting anwsers.
Oh, and I don't think the Matrix inside a Matrix idea is true. I thought it was all just yellow machine'y stuff, but if it was code, I think Neo see's everything in it because of that "wireless matrix jack" that someone mentioned earlier? If he lost his real vision, that little antenna in the back of his head still receiving feed from the matrix could give him postions of everythign he saw in the gold code. That's how he destroyed all the sentinals in the real world too, kind of "hacking" into the matrix and killing them. Same with those artillery shells, I'm sure they'd have some kind of self destruct feature on them, they looked a bit more coomplicated then the classic metal n gun powder. The last scene with Neo being carryed away in yellow code? I'd say it was a 3rd person perspective of what Neo saw, remember, he had all that grand stuff that lets him jack into the matrix.
Oh man, my theory is completely boogus. Oh well, the Zion battle kicked ass.
-The ONLY Renegade fan to pee off a school.
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| Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54551] |
Sun, 09 November 2003 16:20 |
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Crimson
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I merged that old topic into this one. I hate when people start topics about the same exact thing that there is an existing topic for.
I'm the bawss.
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| Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54605] |
Mon, 10 November 2003 04:59 |
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boma57
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Just something else to throw into the fray...This theory was proposed by my friend, and I think it makes excellent sense.
Obviously, at the end of Revolutions, Neo and Smith both "die" because they're opposites and able to counter each other, but how exactly does this work? Let me remind you of a quote from Reloaded:
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Smith: Thank you. But as you well know, appearances can be deceiving, which brings me back to the reason why we're here. We're not here because we're free, we're here because we're not free. There's no escaping reason, no denying purpose - because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.
Smith 2: It is purpose that created us,
Smith 3: Purpose that connects us,
Smith 4: Purpose that pulls us,
Smith 5: That guides us,
Smith 6: That drives us,
Smith 7: It is purpose that defines,
Smith 8: Purpose that binds us.
Smith: We're here because of you, Mister Anderson, we're here to take from you what you tried to take from us. Purpose.
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When Smith fought Neo in Revolutions, he had taken over everyone in the Matrix. Every human, every exile...All of it. Except Neo. When he assimilates Neo, he's assimilated everyone. Every last thing. And thus, he no longer has purpose.
And "...without purpose, we would not exist."
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| Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54610] |
Mon, 10 November 2003 07:03 |
KIRBY098
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Neo is still alive folks, his body was glowing brightly after being taken away on the flatbed. Hell, the Oracle even said she expected to see him again.
DEAD BODIES DO NOT HAVE GLOWING SIGNATURES..........
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| Matrix Revolutions **SPOILERS INSIDE** [message #54663] |
Mon, 10 November 2003 13:07 |
fl00d3d
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I don't know if this will shed much light, but here I go (if I've repeated anything I'm sorry). Here's my interpretation:
The oracle's purpose (eveything has a purpose ... there is a governing program for everything) was to un-balance the equation. The Architect's purpose was to balance the equation. That's why we need the oracle, because it was outside his capabilities for thinking. Smith overwrote everything in the matrix, including the Oracle. (note: the Merovingian had overwrote her body as you can see by her new 'shell' in Revolutions). Smith can now see the fate (or plan) of everything. Or so he thinks.
In the end, Neo realizes that he much allow Smith to defeat him in order to defeat Smith. When the agreement is made between the machines and Neo to end the war under that condition, he's plugged in. when the oracle was overwritten, that "smith" became the dominant smith that ran them all. The same applies when Neo is overwitten. That smith (Neo's mind) now represents everything Smith controls. The machine then terminates Neo's body, thus killing the master smith and his influence in the matrix.
Neo is dead. Neo was the one. But at first, Neo was just "another the one". He separated himself at the end of the first one when he imprinted himself onto the Agent program Smith. This series of events led Neo to control the Matrix in its entirety.
Going back to the whole theory on the machines needing the power generated from the people plugged into the matrix, the machines found themselves in a fundamental predicament. They had to call a truce and rely on Neo to defeat Smith so their power source would not be destroyed. Saving the machines from extinction would be mankinds show of good faith (of peace). Neo was so integrated into the Matrix that he could "see" the engergy produced by it (the same energy that powered the machines and their city in the real world). He could also thereby fight the machines in the real world by controlling their power (given to them through the Matrix that Neo controls).
I took a look at all the different possibilities before Revolultions came out and this is pretty much what I had predicted. Between the parallels of this movie and computing / religion (two very strong and intentional parallels) you can begin to understand the theory behind this plot.
*whew*
The most challenging puzzles I've seen (even after seeing Revolutions) anywhere on the internet came from Blazer in this thread. So kudos!
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