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How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492658]

Sat, 11 November 2017 15:45

Jerad2142
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Running Windows XP?[ 29 votes ]
1.	Yes, I'm running Windows XP	2 / 7%
2.	No, I'm not running Windows XP	27 / 93%

As you may know, Tiberium Technologies lost our original build server recently, and although we've managed to setup a new server for the 5.0 branches, the 4.x (Renegade) branch currently has not been. This is due to it still having windows XP support which makes it vastly more complex to setup. We were just wondering how many players still play Renegade with Windows XP?

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492659 is a reply to message #492658]

Sat, 11 November 2017 16:34

Neijwiert
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Psh XP... REAL players play it in MS DOS.

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492660 is a reply to message #492659]

Sat, 11 November 2017 20:40

Jerad2142
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Neijwiert wrote on Sat, 11 November 2017 16:34

Psh XP... REAL players play it in MS DOS.

I suspect Jonwil would have a heart attack if we suddenly found out that a majority of the community was playing on MS DOS lol.

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492661 is a reply to message #492658]

Sun, 12 November 2017 01:56

jonwil
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If anyone is playing on MS-DOS I would want to know who wrote the magic software that allows you to run a 32 bit Windows binary on an MS-DOS install.

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492662 is a reply to message #492658]

Mon, 13 November 2017 03:31

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I wouldn't recommend putting up a poll like this on this forum, knowing that the votes you'll get from the viewerbase is quite biased. I'd recommend you asking MPF and RC to set up their own poll to get more accurate results going, but even then it would not be ideal. I have a suspicion that most people playing Renegade with XP would do so in an internet cafe with antiquated PC's or young children from families that have been given their own throwaway laptop/desktop. I don't think you'll get any of those people voting on a poll here.

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492663 is a reply to message #492662]

Mon, 13 November 2017 11:14

ehhh
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there is a poll on RC, gonna guess someone posted a poll on the MPF forums as well.

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492664 is a reply to message #492663]

Mon, 13 November 2017 13:03

Jerad2142
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From my understanding the XP support thing is really only needed for the scripts dev work anyways, but Jonwil still desires to know.

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492665 is a reply to message #492658]

Mon, 13 November 2017 14:56

jonwil
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Yes, its about what we do next with scripts for Renegade.
Right now we cant build scripts for Renegade because we dont have a working build system for the 4.x scripts releases and there are 3 ways forward:
1.Try and find all the right bits and build steps needed to build 4.x builds using the current build process
2.Forget about that and switch 4.x to use the same setup as the current 5.0 scripts builds (for APB and etc) are using (Visual C++ 2017) which would mean dropping support for Windows XP
or 3.Forget the whole thing and just stop scripts 4.x development for good (obviously not the preferred option Smile

Smile

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492666 is a reply to message #492658]

Mon, 13 November 2017 15:29

Goztow
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The other option is to make 5 compatible with xp. I would keep xp support for one good reason : anti cheat development

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492667 is a reply to message #492658]

Mon, 13 November 2017 19:15

jonwil
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Scripts 5.0 will not be made compatible with XP ever so dont even suggest it.

Why would being compatible with XP (or using an older compiler) help with anti-cheat?

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492668 is a reply to message #492658]

Mon, 13 November 2017 19:55

shaitan
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It sounds like he's referring to any XP users not being able to install scripts...to not cheat(or to install XP to cheat). Tell Me

Tell Me

We do still get non-scripts people, just seen two new ones this week.

Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:38

I get along with people fine, so long as they aren't rejects who promised things that they couldn't
deliver on, or forum trolls who contribute nothing except to bloat the fragile egos of the same
rejects I despise.

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492669 is a reply to message #492660]

Mon, 13 November 2017 22:58

Gen_Blacky
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Jerad Gray wrote on Sat, 11 November 2017 20:40

Neijwiert wrote on Sat, 11 November 2017 16:34

Psh XP... REAL players play it in MS DOS.

I suspect Jonwil would have a heart attack if we suddenly found out that a majority of the community was playing on MS DOS lol.

jonwil wrote on Sun, 12 November 2017 01:56

If anyone is playing on MS-DOS I would want to know who wrote the magic software that allows you to run a 32 bit Windows binary on an MS-DOS install.

lol

It was developed in xp so that support should be there. But is it really needed. I say no. I'm sure there is more then 1 or 2 players that still use xp and that is a problem.

"3.Forget the whole thing and just stop scripts 4.x development for good (obviously not the preferred option Smile"

I don't this that is even a possibility for you, you have gone this far. Big Grin

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492670 is a reply to message #492658]

Tue, 14 November 2017 03:25

dubstar
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~ How hard would it be to find all the bits required to build using the 4.x version?

~ other than dropping XP support, will there be any disadvantages if you use the scripts 5 branch? will it break anything client/server/bot related?

~ Are there any advantages using the scripts 5 branch?

Personally I think that scripts development should continue if people are willing and able to do so, If there is no problems other than dropping support for an old OS then using the new branch should be given the go ahead.
People are indirectly forced to upgrade from XP nowadays because there is no support for it anyway.

Your team have done wonders for Renegade, from bug fixes to anti-cheat and I hope that continues

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492671 is a reply to message #492670]

Tue, 14 November 2017 03:31

Neijwiert
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dubstar wrote on Tue, 14 November 2017 03:25

~ How hard would it be to find all the bits required to build using the 4.x version?

~ other than dropping XP support, will there be any disadvantages if you use the scripts 5 branch? will it break anything client/server/bot related?

~ Are there any advantages using the scripts 5 branch?

Personally I think that scripts development should continue if people are willing and able to do so, If there is no problems other than dropping support for an old OS then using the new branch should be given the go ahead.
People are indirectly forced to upgrade from XP nowadays because there is no support for it anyway.

Your team have done wonders for Renegade, from bug fixes to anti-cheat and I hope that continues

I don't think Jonwil means an exact copy of the 5.0 branch, just dropping xp support and using the same build tools. If it were an exact copy, a lot of things would break in Renegade.

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492672 is a reply to message #492658]

Tue, 14 November 2017 06:13

jonwil
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Yeah the options I am picking between are:
1.Stop all development on the 4.x branch (not really something I want to do but it may happen)
2.Figure out how to properly build the 4.x version and get a build server going for it
or 3.Migrate the 4.x branch to Visual Studio 2017 and build things the same way as we do on the 5.x branch which means dropping XP support

So far one person has voted "yes" on the "I use XP" poll and it wouldn't surprise me if there are people out there playing Renegade on XP who dont follow forums etc and dont even know that XP support might be going away.

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492673 is a reply to message #492658]

Tue, 14 November 2017 15:48

shaitan
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We'll have the ingame results for Rencorner here:
http://208.115.205.106/mapspoll/OS.txt

Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:38

I get along with people fine, so long as they aren't rejects who promised things that they couldn't
deliver on, or forum trolls who contribute nothing except to bloat the fragile egos of the same
rejects I despise.

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492674 is a reply to message #492658]

Tue, 14 November 2017 16:31

jonwil
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WTF? Someone is actually USING Windows Vista?

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492675 is a reply to message #492674]

Wed, 15 November 2017 12:08

sla.ro(master)
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jonwil wrote on Wed, 15 November 2017 01:31

WTF? Someone is actually USING Windows Vista?

I did until Microsoft dropped support completely, so I had to use 7 or 10. XP and Vista are treated as same.

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492676 is a reply to message #492658]

Sat, 18 November 2017 14:14

jonwil
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I have seen enough evidence of XP use in that rencorner in-game poll to conclude that we cant drop XP support without loosing players.

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492678 is a reply to message #492675]

Sat, 18 November 2017 17:57

ehhh
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sla.ro(master) wrote on Wed, 15 November 2017 19:08

jonwil wrote on Wed, 15 November 2017 01:31

WTF? Someone is actually USING Windows Vista?

I did until Microsoft dropped support completely, so I had to use 7 or 10. XP and Vista are treated as same.

had it for quite a while, my brother made me update to 7 though Sad

Sad

was also one of the lucky people that had M.E., what a terrible os

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492679 is a reply to message #492658]

Sun, 19 November 2017 17:33

iRANian
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i also had ME lol

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492682 is a reply to message #492658]

Mon, 20 November 2017 10:23

Gen_Blacky
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I went from MS-DOS 5.0 ( Still have the floopys for it ) to 95 to XP. I was lucky enough to skip ME, 95 was the shit!

Win7 support ends 2020 Sneaky

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492683 is a reply to message #492658]

Mon, 20 November 2017 11:14

shaitan
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Your response to Vista is priceless lol. Tell Me

Tell Me

I skipped that piece of crap and went to Win 7. I'll keep it until I'm forced to update. Win 10 can bite my ass, damn thing was not geared toward utility.
Out of those guys who voted XP, I'd take iB-BEDO with a grain of salt. He changed it three times until I yelled at him to pick one.
Also on our ingame pollings: it's more accurate 1-2 weeks into it.

Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:38

I get along with people fine, so long as they aren't rejects who promised things that they couldn't
deliver on, or forum trolls who contribute nothing except to bloat the fragile egos of the same
rejects I despise.

[Updated on: Mon, 20 November 2017 11:16]

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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492684 is a reply to message #492658]

Mon, 20 November 2017 15:07

jonwil
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In any case we have the build server working again for 4.x using the same compiler we were using before which means the new builds going forward will have exactly the same OS support as the old builds did.

Jonathan Wilson aka Jonwil
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Re: How many people are still running Windows XP [message #492728 is a reply to message #492658]

Fri, 08 December 2017 13:00

ExEric3
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Hmm. Missing me here support for Windows Server 2003. Its possible add it?

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