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| Re: RenegadeX [message #485291 is a reply to message #484592] |
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Aircraftkiller
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It's the echo chamber that C&C is well-known for. It's why most C&C projects are complete jokes. They don't get good feedback, they get "wow omfgr almost perfect" and whatnot. Look at any APB thread on their forums. Look at any Reborn thread over there, too. Then check the rest of the C&C mods that still exist. They all get this special treatment because nobody cares about C&C. The few people that actually *do* care are showered with adoration by friendzoned pencildicked geeks who are utterly amazed that anyone would ever bother to do anything for them
The mod creators never get any real feedback and plod along going LOL IMDABEST until someone comes along and says otherwise, then they gang up and the echo chamber turns the derp up to potato. What was once "omfgr wow almost perfect" is now suddenly "OFMGR EPIC WIN EPIC FOR THE WIN EPIC HARVESTER BRODUDEFRIENDGUYPALBUDDYPROSKIZ EPIC"
I'd like to see RenX succeed without going the generic FPS route, but they've already committed themselves to it and there's no going back at this point, so yay. We get another "game" that dies in a couple of weeks after people lament the awesome AAA graphics that coincidentally look exactly like every other FPS
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| Re: RenegadeX [message #485294 is a reply to message #485291] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 01:37 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 17 January 2014 19:57 |
yet another generic FPS with C&C elements tacked
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This differs from Renegade how exactly? I'd love some elaboration on that. Seriously, elaborate on that before responding to anything else I say.
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 17 January 2014 22:35 |
They don't get good feedback, they get "wow omfgr almost perfect" and whatnot...
The mod creators never get any real feedback and plod along going LOL IMDABEST until someone comes along and says otherwise, then they gang up and the echo chamber turns the derp up to potato.
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Though I never really got involved with other C&C related projects too much, RenX has consistently gotten massive feedback from testers during every build, and generally discusses and adjusts the game accordingly.
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 17 January 2014 22:35 |
I'd like to see RenX succeed without going the generic FPS route, but they've already committed themselves to it and there's no going back at this point, so yay. We get another "game" that dies in a couple of weeks after people lament the awesome AAA graphics that coincidentally look exactly like every other FPS
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Many of the major differences between RenX and other Renegade-related mods is that RenX actually adds legitimate gameplay mechanics that were never attempted with Renegade mods, and that RenX isn't restricting itself by treating Renegade (or another source) as a holy text of reference. Maps are reimagined. The core gameplay is kept. Mechanics are tweaked to compensate for new mechanics. The entire design process is oriented around producing something that as many people will enjoy as possible, not what 3 random devs happen to think is best at 5AM, not just the Renegade niche, and not just the new guys. If what most people seem to prefer is a "generic FPS" which is visually and mechanically richer than any Renegade mod ever tried to be, then players will choose to play RenegadeX, and leave Renegade to the dying niche it is. Seriously. Tell me how RenegadeX is any more "generic" than Renegade.
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| Re: RenegadeX [message #485302 is a reply to message #485297] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 08:50 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 06:52 |
I hope I get a reply to my email I had to sent to their forum-admin in order to recover my account... But apparently that's difficult or has no priority.
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There is a problem with the messaging system. So if you'd like to create a new account, tell us your account name and we'll add it to the beta.
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| Re: RenegadeX [message #485304 is a reply to message #485303] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 09:26 |
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 16:50]| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 06:52 |
I hope I get a reply to my email I had to sent to their forum-admin in order to recover my account... But apparently that's difficult or has no priority.
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There is a problem with the messaging system. So if you'd like to create a new account, tell us your account name and we'll add it to the beta.
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I emailed the suggested forum admin. So perhaps you should check that mail more often or change it to an address that is actually being checked.
| liquidv2 wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 17:14 |
i tried PMing you on here and it said that user does not exist on this forum
i'm having an impossible time getting my password reset - the email account i have on there is from 2006 or 2007 and i don't have access to it, and i can't contact anyone to have my current email linked up to that account lol
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Exactly my problem as well. And I don't want a new account (nickname), I want my old nickname.
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| Re: RenegadeX [message #485305 is a reply to message #485304] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 09:34 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 11:26 |
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Fobby[GEN] wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 16:50]| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 06:52 |
I hope I get a reply to my email I had to sent to their forum-admin in order to recover my account... But apparently that's difficult or has no priority.
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There is a problem with the messaging system. So if you'd like to create a new account, tell us your account name and we'll add it to the beta.
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I emailed the suggested forum admin. So perhaps you should check that mail more often or change it to an address that is actually being checked.
| liquidv2 wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 17:14 |
i tried PMing you on here and it said that user does not exist on this forum
i'm having an impossible time getting my password reset - the email account i have on there is from 2006 or 2007 and i don't have access to it, and i can't contact anyone to have my current email linked up to that account lol
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Exactly my problem as well. And I don't want a new account (nickname), I want my old nickname.
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Like I said, there is currently a problem with our messaging system.
I've reset the password to "EvilWhiteDragon" on Renegade-X.com and I PM'd your new password here (renegadeforums).
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| Re: RenegadeX [message #485307 is a reply to message #485294] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 11:11 |
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| Agent wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 03:37 |
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 17 January 2014 19:57 |
yet another generic FPS with C&C elements tacked
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This differs from Renegade how exactly? I'd love some elaboration on that. Seriously, elaborate on that before responding to anything else I say.
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 17 January 2014 22:35 |
They don't get good feedback, they get "wow omfgr almost perfect" and whatnot...
The mod creators never get any real feedback and plod along going LOL IMDABEST until someone comes along and says otherwise, then they gang up and the echo chamber turns the derp up to potato.
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Though I never really got involved with other C&C related projects too much, RenX has consistently gotten massive feedback from testers during every build, and generally discusses and adjusts the game accordingly.
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 17 January 2014 22:35 |
I'd like to see RenX succeed without going the generic FPS route, but they've already committed themselves to it and there's no going back at this point, so yay. We get another "game" that dies in a couple of weeks after people lament the awesome AAA graphics that coincidentally look exactly like every other FPS
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Many of the major differences between RenX and other Renegade-related mods is that RenX actually adds legitimate gameplay mechanics that were never attempted with Renegade mods, and that RenX isn't restricting itself by treating Renegade (or another source) as a holy text of reference. Maps are reimagined. The core gameplay is kept. Mechanics are tweaked to compensate for new mechanics. The entire design process is oriented around producing something that as many people will enjoy as possible, not what 3 random devs happen to think is best at 5AM, not just the Renegade niche, and not just the new guys. If what most people seem to prefer is a "generic FPS" which is visually and mechanically richer than any Renegade mod ever tried to be, then players will choose to play RenegadeX, and leave Renegade to the dying niche it is. Seriously. Tell me how RenegadeX is any more "generic" than Renegade.
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You're got a talent for writing a lot but saying very little. Let's break down your post:
"legitimate gameplay" "isn't restricting itself by treating Renegade as a holy text of reference" "Maps are reimagined"
Just name it Call of Duty: Renegade already. I already explained how RenX is generic. Read my posts. I'm not writing them again.
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| Re: RenegadeX [message #485310 is a reply to message #485294] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 12:17 |
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| Agent wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 03:37 |
| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 17 January 2014 19:57 |
yet another generic FPS with C&C elements tacked
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This differs from Renegade how exactly? I'd love some elaboration on that. Seriously, elaborate on that before responding to anything else I say.
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People see the sprinting and the ADS (which is very limited, and only on some weapons) and they assume it's Call of Duty. People see vehicles, and they assume it's Battlefield. But that's like saying C&C Renegade was a "generic FPS game" too because it had reloading, finite ammo, snipers, a HUD...
Those who have actually played the game know that Renegade X is nothing like Call of Duty, and nothing like Battlefield. I won't even respond to that point, because everyone in the beta knows that it's simply untrue.
As for Ack's experience with Renegade X, the only experience he's had was trying to join our team in early 2012 and being turned down. That, and about 20 minutes of playing Black Dawn before his PC BSOD'd. Maybe the BSOD was the game's fault, but his computer crashing has inspired endless posts on several venues constantly poo-pooing a game he's never played properly.
2 years later, we produced a multiplayer game, and we're giving you a chance to try it out. If your PC can handle it, I don't see why not.
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The most obnoxious part of RenX is that they chose the most uninspired art direction possible. Instead of having a FPS that actually looks like Command & Conquer, we're getting another generic FPS in the vein of Call of Modern Battlefield: Medal of Duty IX - a forgettable game with no striking visual style. When
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A former Westwood Art Director seems to disagree with you:
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| Re: RenegadeX [message #485313 is a reply to message #485310] |
Sat, 18 January 2014 13:28 |
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| Fobby wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 13:17 |
Those who have actually played the game know that Renegade X is nothing like Call of Duty, and nothing like Battlefield. I won't even respond to that point, because everyone in the beta knows that it's simply untrue.
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I will say though, by no stretch is the original art direction intact... that's not a bad thing, but it's just true, lol.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade 
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| Re: RenegadeX [message #485327 is a reply to message #484592] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 01:06 |
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The visual style does look pretty blah and reminds me of Battlefield 3. Some of the maps like Field and Mesa are ridiculously dark while Walls has way too much bloom and light.
Not to mention I keep hearing the developers are ignoring the testers and listening to clueless people.
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| Re: RenegadeX [message #485329 is a reply to message #485309] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 02:44 |
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Visually, the game does look like UT meets Battlefield meets CoD meets Renegade, but, correct me if I'm wrong, that was the point, right?
"C&C Renegade re-imagined as a modern shooter" - the original got panned for mediocre graphics and poor networking performance (lag), but critics seemed to like C&C mode.[0][1] By the looks of it (no pun intended), Totem Arts is doing quite well with the task.
| Havoc 89 wrote on Sat, 18 January 2014 11:50 |
if there is anyone else who wants to give the game a try please let us know. We did ask people from renforum to apply but hardly anyone did.
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I have an interest in trying, but I don't know if I'll be able to commit to being a beta tester, but rather a "guest". The application form required an "organization", IIRC. Can I apply or should I wait for the release?
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| Re: RenegadeX [message #485331 is a reply to message #485276] |
Sun, 19 January 2014 07:34 |
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here's my take in all this:
As long as the C&C Mode element shines through all the graphical additions and remakes the ReneX team has made, I think Rene X will do fine.
For example in Mesa, if I join as GDI I always work hard furiously to try to get a Med ASAP for me so I can go to the bridge to try to hit some buildings. And I would be carefully looking for how techs/engis can jump out and make quick repairs during battles from their vehicles. That's a huge part of Renegade. I am very eager to do these things in the Beta if I am allowed in. Things like Exit positions on all the vehicles, beacon runs with Apache on Walls_Fly and so many other sneaky things that made Renegade addictive for me and still here since 2007!
I am sure the CW folks have come up with lots of secret tricks already lol to exploit on the weak and poor.
I am sure the mod will be just fine and if so, then the game would be a winner.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJJW_R7tqMc
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