AGT [message #472765] |
Sat, 04 August 2012 02:24 ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
Major-Payne
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Was anything done to modify the AGT firing rate or the AGT rocket splash range?
I've been trying to run to ref with people on mesa with techs but the agt got us both every single time, same thing for the wf walk on gaycier, and the wf walk on city/city_fly
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Re: AGT [message #472767 is a reply to message #472765] |
Sat, 04 August 2012 03:53 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
Jamie or NuneGa
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Theres a lot of luck involved in mesa, but I can still do it with one person if I wait for agt to shoot harv, so I disbelieve your initial hypothesis.
Glacier is too random... keep trying.
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Re: AGT [message #472772 is a reply to message #472767] |
Sat, 04 August 2012 10:42 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
Sean
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Jamie or NuneGa wrote on Sat, 04 August 2012 03:53 | Theres a lot of luck involved in mesa, but I can still do it with one person if I wait for agt to shoot harv, so I disbelieve your initial hypothesis.
Glacier is too random... keep trying.
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This, nothing's been changed your just bad mudkipz.
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Re: AGT [message #472773 is a reply to message #472765] |
Sat, 04 August 2012 11:11 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
Major-Payne
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hmmm, odd
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Re: AGT [message #472775 is a reply to message #472765] |
Sat, 04 August 2012 12:45 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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I tried the wf walk on glacier too and I couldn't do it. I agree with mudkips on this. I used to be able to do it easily pre-4.0.
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Re: AGT [message #472776 is a reply to message #472765] |
Sat, 04 August 2012 13:53 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
Generalcamo
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I think I know the reason.
The netcode has been improved since pre-4.0, so there is less lag. That means that the AGT will "see" you quicker then normal.
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Re: AGT [message #472777 is a reply to message #472765] |
Sat, 04 August 2012 14:09 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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The AGT fires more accurately. On 4.0 servers, the AGT doesn't fire anymore at players if the enemy isn't in their site. The old way, the AGT would shoot its machine guns at places like the C&C_Field tunnels even though the player isn't in sight of the AGT or has left the sight of the AGT.
This fix probably has something to do with it. If an enemy is in sight, it will fire at that exact moment.
void GDI_AGT_Gun::Enemy_Seen(GameObject* GunObj, GameObject* EnemyObj)
{
// Check for an living target which is in range
if (!IsValidEnemy(GunObj, EnemyObj))
return;
// If the current enemy is still a valid target, ignore this enemy
if (IsValidEnemy(GunObj, Commands->Find_Object(EnemyID)))
return;
// Attack!
ActionParamsStruct ActionParams;
ActionParams.Set_Basic(this, 100, 1);
ActionParams.Set_Attack(EnemyObj, 300, 0, true);
ActionParams.AttackCheckBlocked = false;
Commands->Action_Attack(GunObj, ActionParams);
Commands->Start_Timer(GunObj, this, .1f, 0);
EnemyID = Commands->Get_ID(EnemyObj);
}
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Re: AGT [message #472810 is a reply to message #472765] |
Sun, 05 August 2012 01:36 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
Major-Payne
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Well this does take out an important tactical element in the game. Is this going to be fixed? I doubt this is what TT would have intended, since it's a valid tactic that has been used for a decade now
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Re: AGT [message #472811 is a reply to message #472765] |
Sun, 05 August 2012 01:56 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
iRANian
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The only reason that worked is because the base defences were bugged before, it's not intended for people to walk those areas.
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Re: AGT [message #472842 is a reply to message #472765] |
Sun, 05 August 2012 11:42 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
Major-Payne
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wait, ob walking as in walking in with 2 people in different directions or ob walking as in glitching the ob?
Also, I don't see it as an invalid tactic, two people work together, one to distract base defences and the other to get the job done. How is that different from trying to get into someone's base with 2 hotties by taking 2 different routes when someone is camping tunnels?
It's all part of the big illusion that we perpetuate on ourselves and in turn is perpetuated upon us. When we believe, we engage the illusion. When we stop believing we shatter the illusion and shatter ourselves in the process. Because we are, part of it.
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Re: AGT [message #472844 is a reply to message #472765] |
Sun, 05 August 2012 11:54 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
robbyke
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the splitting tactic mostly wont work on the AGT
or at least ive never seen an succesfull one
at Nod it is a valid tactic
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Re: AGT [message #472852 is a reply to message #472765] |
Sun, 05 August 2012 12:48 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
Major-Payne
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also, you can't C4 the gdi harv anymore as nod an hourglass
but GDI can still C4 the nod harv
It's all part of the big illusion that we perpetuate on ourselves and in turn is perpetuated upon us. When we believe, we engage the illusion. When we stop believing we shatter the illusion and shatter ourselves in the process. Because we are, part of it.
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Re: AGT [message #472878 is a reply to message #472765] |
Mon, 06 August 2012 02:06 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
Major-Payne
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Well technically, if the AGT guns fire more accurately now, that WOULD constitute a change in the rocket firing rate with 4.0
It's all part of the big illusion that we perpetuate on ourselves and in turn is perpetuated upon us. When we believe, we engage the illusion. When we stop believing we shatter the illusion and shatter ourselves in the process. Because we are, part of it.
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Re: AGT [message #472880 is a reply to message #472765] |
Mon, 06 August 2012 05:37 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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Distrbd21
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So you guys beg for them to fix Renegade, but then you cry and bitch when they do?????
TBH the agt can still be walked, you just need to up your skillz and stop being a n00b, man up and use team work.
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Re: AGT [message #472885 is a reply to message #472880] |
Mon, 06 August 2012 09:16 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
Major-Payne
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Distrbd21 wrote on Mon, 06 August 2012 05:37 | lol im a retard with no input
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It's all part of the big illusion that we perpetuate on ourselves and in turn is perpetuated upon us. When we believe, we engage the illusion. When we stop believing we shatter the illusion and shatter ourselves in the process. Because we are, part of it.
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Re: AGT [message #472912 is a reply to message #472765] |
Mon, 06 August 2012 18:13 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) |
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FYI: The AGT machine guns fire at the first target they see. The rocket is fired at the target of the first machine gun assuming that this target is also visible to the machine gun (if not, it could switch to the second machine gun's target). Switching targets when they become invalid (behind wall/out of range) is undefined, you could consider it random.
This is all exactly the same as in stock. The only real difference is that the TT AGT ensures not to keep firing when the target becomes invalid. The original code is broken in that sense, as it only makes the AGT stop sometimes.
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