| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #46499] |
Thu, 11 September 2003 08:18  |
fl00d3d
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Is the RenGuard project becoming something of the proprietary solution?
It would seem that way to me. What goes on behind those closed doors is a mystery to all. Generally speaking, programmers prefer to keep their code secretive and away from the public so that bugs cannot be found and their work is preserved. However, sharing design and code with a community has its share of benefits as well.
Consider Red Hat Linux. It is an open source operating system. Unlike Microsoft's Windows which is proprietary, RH bugs and issues are worked out with the world's programmers and analysts rather than a private team. Solutions are reached quickly and efficiently.
What the Renegade Community (all you players out there) is dealing with right now, is a cheater epidemic where people are creating mods that give players an unfair advantage.
Because we love the game so much and do not want to see it destroyed, many groups of people have begun (and some have completed) programs to counter the cheats.
We as a community need to work together to produce a solution. The help of the professionals out there is welcome and strongely encouraged. This is evident through teams like the RenGuard team, who is doing an outstanding job of working towards a quality solution.
However, the principle of the matter is that this is a community issue. The OZ clan which produced a hotfix for BigHead and FinalRen is no better than the RenGuard team who is attempting to produce a full blown anti-cheat application. In fact, they are very much equal. They serve the same purpose. They serve the same community.
Why is it, then, that certain individuals continue to try and make their solutions proprietary and secretive? Many individuals and gamers feel suspicious about this -- and have made numerous pleas for unity.
I have created a solution to this problem and have reached a 75% acceptance rating. Just about all of the GameSpy clans have shown support for the alliance. Some WOL clans are just now finding out about it. And players around the world are coming to realize that Westwood is dead. And that no one is out there to help them.
We stand alone to fight this war, my friends.
Who is the enemy?
The cheaters. The deceitful. The spammers. The whiners.
We need to be unified into a single group. We need to work together to produce these anticheats. We need to work together to coordinate mod packages and new maps. We need to work together so that we can produce QUALITY additions to the Renegade game. If not, the game will die -- and will never be heard of again.
So I ask you again: support us. Join us. Do not become a part of the old world order. Re-live the game through the new one.
Your friend and fellow gamer,
Sean
aka "fl00d3d"
Founder, Tsunami Alliance
http://www.tsunami-alliance.com
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #46511] |
Thu, 11 September 2003 08:39  |
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PLEASE, for the love of Renegade, stop this anti-RenGuard pursuit.
You're way off in the deep end with your ramblings. Just let us make our product and if you feel the guys did a shitty job, then you can judge. Until then, just wait or go code your "better" app.
I'm the bawss.
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #46534] |
Thu, 11 September 2003 09:11 |
fl00d3d
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Oh please. Stop acting like you guys are super programmers and the worlds most elite hackers. I'm not impressed.
AND FOR THE 1000th TIME ...
I'm not arguing about what programs are better -- or starting an anti-RenGuard campain. Re-read my post. You're clearly mistaken. In fact I said you were doing some outstanding work.
Again, re-read my post.
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #46535] |
Thu, 11 September 2003 09:14 |
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Crimson
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Never made that claim, buddy.
Find another site to recruit people for your anti-cheat app. RenGuard already has an excellent leader in mac, we have all the bandwidth and communication we need, and there is no room for another leader that we don't know.
That's all I'm trying to say.
I'm the bawss.
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #46541] |
Thu, 11 September 2003 09:21 |
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Oh please. Stop acting like you guys are super programmers and the worlds most elite hackers. I'm not impressed
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We have 2 PERL experts (I would consider anyone who writes multithreaded PERL programs using POE at least an advanced programmer), 2 Visual Basic experts (I think Dante has more than proven his programming skills in that area with BlazeRotate/BlazeRegulator, and djlaptop has as well with RenStat), and an x86 ASM expert who also has black hat experience. More than one of us has contacts with EA and Westwood, and have actually spoken to EA persons on the phone (no not tech support). One of us hosts a large gaming company that leases game servers and has over 32 Renegade servers on GSA alone (and RenGuard will be installed on these servers as well). One of us works for Cisco Systems Inc, and before that worked for Qwest Communications as an IP Engineering & Operations manager and is an expert in many areas including UNIX security. Then we have Crimson who also works for Cisco and is a php expert (at least Cisco thinks so, since they are paying her a large salary to do work for them), and is trusted and well established enough in the community that Westwood Studios gave her the official Renegade forums (these). Not to mention that Greg Underwood A.K.A. "CodeWench", who worked for Westwood Studios and programmed the Linux FDS is providing all the help and suggestions he can within the scope of his NDA.
Hmmm....sounds pretty damn impressive to me.
We are not just smoke and mirrors, the project is more than well underway, unlike other people who just talk a bunch of smack and only have to show for it a website thrown together with FrontPage. :rolleyes:
http://www.renevo.com | 
http://strike-team.net/forums/ | XWIS Forums
http://www.n00bstories.com | Crimson is the 0wnage, and I Love her!
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #46647] |
Thu, 11 September 2003 17:17 |
fl00d3d
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I'll tell you what. Only half of those things actually impress me because I have half those skills myself.
The ASM is impressive to me.
After talking with ACK and reading this thread, I think I have enough information to get a warm and fuzzy about your group. So good luck to you.
As for my frontpage site (since I'm who you're obviously referring to), I use it to quickly generate websites that I don't have time to sit down and create. I work a full time job as a network security analyst for the DoD. I am also a former blackhat. I call myself a greyhat now 
Anyway, I simply wanted to make sure someone that could be trusted was taking this seriously. I have a lot of confidence in your team based off the information that you've told me.
I've always said you were doing outstanding work. I just want to see this game spared from the wrath of the cheaters.
Crimson, I'll accept your explaination about the cnccheats.com domain. Therefore I apologize for my accusations. They were not unsupported, though, so cut me some slack. I did my samspade!
Truce? 
As for the RenGuard staff, if there is any way that myself or the Tsunami Alliance can assist, please let me know. I'm getting into mod production myself now (bout time). Mac and I have discussed my background in irc previously if you're interested in that, as well.
Again, good luck to you.
Regards,
~fl00d3d~
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #46984] |
Sat, 13 September 2003 15:36 |
fl00d3d
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So does the 20 year old intern that answers phones all day. I'm sure the "dell kids" in the commercials are the lead programmers for Dell Corporation.
It's a legit question that I'm interested in now. I guess you could lie about it and we'll never know --- but this was a good point. I can't believe I overlooked that.
Anyway, I'm not getting too into this anymore.
http://www.n00bstories.com/renforums/viewtopic.php?t=7406&start=14
Good luck to the RenGuard team. I hope you aren't lying about anything you've said. And I hope you're truely the 'people with integrity' that you claim to be. I really do.
Regards,
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #47010] |
Sat, 13 September 2003 19:00 |
Iris2003
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Then could you please tell us all exactly what CISCO CERTIFICATIONS either Blazer or yourself currently hold? The usage of the word Cisco by blazer would indicate he has at least some Cisco Qualifications.
Your short reply indicates to me that neither yourself nor blazer has ANY Cisco certifications, from what I have been told, blazer is just starting CCNA1? Which is the Very beginning of the CCNA License Course. 4 0f.
fl00d3d, I think their just System Admins on a LAN. Otherwise crimson would have said, " Yes blazers Cisco Certifications are.. bla bla bla" But instead once again crimson try’s to duck the question, not a hard question really, lets try ask the Self proclaimed community leader a straight Question and try to get a straight Answer..
Do you (Blazer) or Crimson have "ANY" Cisco Certifications?
Please Answer the question crimson and or blazer. Simple yes or no would be sufficient.
Iris
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #47012] |
Sat, 13 September 2003 19:08 |
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LMFAO
Neither Blazer or I are programming RenGuard so what the hell does it matter? Yes, Blazer is breezing through CCNA1 classes, and I start there Monday. But you don't typically get hired by Cisco if you're a dumbass.
I'm the bawss.
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #47027] |
Sat, 13 September 2003 21:08 |
Iris2003
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Well, I noticed in a previous post either blazer or you mention Cisco about four times in reference to qualifications and experience in the development and deployment of Renguard.
I would be very concerned if blazer wasn’t "breezing" (as you put it) through the CCNA1 course, since it is Network Basics :rolleyes:
CCNA1—Networking Basics http://www.cs.uwc.ac.za/~net/Cisco/CCNA1.htm
Don’t you think his going to need a little more then Network basics? lol
And from what I have been told Cisco Systems Inc usually doesn’t advise unlicensed Admins to program or configure Cisco Routers. I find it very odd they would employ an unlicensed Admin to maintain their network.
Its most likely what ive already said, blazer is just a system admin.
And weren’t you fired from your last job due to poor performance?
Does raise some questions as to the experience / Validity of the Renguard Team, due to inexperienced self-proclaimed leaders. 
You may not be programming Renguard because of your lack of experience and skills, however you are, from what I have researched, the people behind the Renguard Project.
In essence, Crimson and Blazer are the owners of Renguard.com
Registrant:
Crimson Technology Solutions
11458 N. 25th Ave.
Phoenix, Arizona 85029
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: RENGUARD.COM
Created on: 24-Aug-03
Expires on: 24-Aug-04
Last Updated on: 24-Aug-03
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Korza, Christine crimson@technologist.com
Crimson Technology Solutions
11458 N. 25th Ave.
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If you say you work for Cisco, you should have Certifications to back them up. Just like you should have information to back up your claims of Renguard protecting the Renegade community! So far all I see is a lot of Hot air and no solid product as well as the vague information on the official site.
thx for the truthfull reply crimson
Iris
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #47031] |
Sat, 13 September 2003 21:26 |
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OMFG you are a moron. Blazer is more than a sysadmin. He's a systems engineer. He maintains several servers for the Cisco Networking Academy that house various databases, websites, and test results. He manages server moves, performance, monitoring... If something breaks, he fixes it. He's not some simple password reset monkey. And he's in CCNA1 because, well, that's where you have to start.
Before Cisco, he worked for Qwest managing a team of systems engineers, and also helped design their current network of DNS servers.
I was not fired from my last job due to performance. Where do you get this?? I was laid off. If I were fired, I wouldn't be pulling from unemployment right now.
I'm NOT a self-proclaimed leader of the RenGuard team. When have I ever said that anyone other than mac leads the team. I HAVEN'T. I registered the domain for the RenGuard website, I hosted it, and I maintain it. That doesn't mean I lead the team. Neither does Blazer.
You don't have to have certifications to work for Cisco. You obviously don't work for them. I back up the claims of RenGuard by looking at the prior successes of the RenGuard team. The members of the team have produced other things for Renegade... where do I start listing them?
Now please, go away.
I'm the bawss.
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #47032] |
Sat, 13 September 2003 21:35 |
Iris2003
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You could start with the failed release of RenAlert ?
Alot of your team members were on that team, as well as yourself.
I wont go on about the certifications, ive had a good laugh.  ALOT of people have MCSE (Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer), blazer isn’t special just because he has a MCSE Cert But don’t tell crimson that. :oops:
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Not very nice thing to say comming from the Offical Renegade Administrator, is EA aware you speak to users in this manner?
k thx bye
Iris
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #47061] |
Sat, 13 September 2003 22:32 |
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RenAlert is were ? lol
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Don't know where the heck you brought up MCSE from...
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Maybe I got it from this..
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Blazer is more than a sysadmin. He's a systems engineer
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Do a search on google on system engineer..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=System+engineer
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer
Earn the Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (MCSE) certification and prove your ... the
Microsoft Windows® 2000 platform and Microsoft Windows Server System™. ...
http://www.microsoft.com/traincert/mcp/mcse/default.asp - 37k - 13 Sep 2003 - Cached - Similar pages
If he is a Real system admin he would HAVE to have the MCSE Cert.
Really surprises me that you ask, possibly because you have run out of intelligent things to say?
And I wont go away, this is a community forum and your supposed to be the community leader, act as such and stop telling people to go away simply because they don’t view things in the same perspective as you do.
Iris
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #47062] |
Sat, 13 September 2003 22:34 |
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A systems engineer doesn't have to be certified by Microsoft to have that title. The fact that you had to look that up in Google really speak loads for your intelligence.
I'm the bawss.
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #47069] |
Sat, 13 September 2003 22:54 |
Iris2003
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The google reference search was for your benefit crimson (what’s the problem, never used a search engineer before?), since you made such an ass out of yourself when you asked why MSCE was brought into it..
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Don't know where the heck you brought up MCSE from...
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Blazer is more than a sysadmin. He's a systems engineer
And people who use google are not stupid, I knew what the MSCE cert was before using google, I just wanted a reference point to show you what a systems engineer should have. MSCE is a major Cert for most system engineers; with your self-educated knowledge im surprised you didn’t already realize this.
The guys with all the Certifications are the ones with the Jobs.
If anything MSCE is the Basic foundations for a good Systems admin.
Iris
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| Does the RenGuard team work for itself or the public? [message #47072] |
Sat, 13 September 2003 23:00 |
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Um, yes... I have used a search engine before... and even done search engine optimization OMG!
Your arguments are pointless because Blazer *is* a systems engineer for the Cisco Networking Academy and was previously a systems engineer manager for Qwest. It's fact... your asinine assumptions don't change these facts.
I thought you were going to go play games.
I'm the bawss.
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