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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463352 is a reply to message #462549] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 14:48   |
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I see I've angered you greatly somehow without intending to. When you've calmed down, please point out what parts of my argument are actually flawed objectively, otherwise this will just turn into another meaningless flame war where both sides just make personal attacks on the other without trying to understand the points they are making.
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463353 is a reply to message #462549] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 14:49 |
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 14:41 |
i'm getting new ppl into TC, games this weekend?
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Yes i am always around on weekends!
But need people especially the st0rm people should get on now.
I can never contact moby and clear, or Empire's team for a match.
i0n only has a bot teammate lol
More people!!
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463354 is a reply to message #462549] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 14:58 |
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I'm confused. I don't see clanwars on either XWIS or renlist.
and when I go to the website for clanwars.cc it doesn't really tell me how to get in, although it shows a list of recent games and they are all extremely small sized.. (2v2? 3v3? Where's the fun in that....) and there aren't even any matches today lol..
is there a server where you at least get 7 people per side regularly?
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463356 is a reply to message #463354] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:07 |
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| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 14:58 |
they are all extremely small sized.. (2v2? 3v3? Where's the fun in that....) and there aren't even any matches today lol..
is there a server where you at least get 7 people per side regularly?
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I was never a fan of small matches myself but the competitive level is intense. Maybe if we get enough good players and keep the noobs out with the password we can have a good server of really strong players.
We can maybe have teams with more people and keep record still for competetitive purposes
Or just make one a fun server and keep the other for small clanwars
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463357 is a reply to message #463352] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:07 |
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i took the servers down to do the renerumbles, i'll put them back up presently
you make a clan (on the clanwars.cc league) and do clan matches with other clans.
| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 14:48 |
I see I've angered you greatly somehow without intending to. When you've calmed down
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don't play the fool... making an idiot of yourself doesn't make me angry.
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please point out what parts of my argument are actually flawed objectively
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the entire premise of your demented statements, where you've done all you can to blame the victims, and cried about the fact nobody seems to think you have any "moral calibre". if you could've been bothered saying anything to wilo (who unlike anyone here, wanted to see st0rm destroyed) instead of the victims of his e-attacks, not only would you not be here making excuses as to why you didn't stand up to him, you might even still have a server.
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otherwise this will just turn into another meaningless flame war where both sides just make personal attacks on the other without trying to understand the points they are making.
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i've read everything you've said and responded to it, you idiot. stop being so dishonest.
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463358 is a reply to message #462549] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:08 |
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Just for the record, Wilo was flooding servers to make the players choose a different server to play on (as in, "Jelly's lagging and dropping players so I'm gonna go play on another server, say what's this St0rm place all about"). So, if he doesn't HAVE a server for them to go to, the incentive to flood server is less.
Before, he would gain e-penis points and players on his server.
Now, he gains only e-penis points.
Furthermore, just accepting his apology and promises "not to do it again" even though he's been a pimple on Renegade's ass for 10 years now, isn't working. He's been proven time and time again to be a sociopath and a liar. (Although I think that's really the same thing.)
It's better this way. There are plenty of good servers for this game, and hopefully now they'll even be more stable.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463361 is a reply to message #462549] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:13 |
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I don't see where I have blamed the victims at all? :S I'm just asking the victims to stop blaming/taking things out on the innocent, I'm not blaming them.
I don't understand why you can't respond nicely like crimson did. That was a good logical counterargument that I have to concede to. Yours was just personal attacks one after another that didn't explain anything.
Edit: And what exactly am I supposed to say to wilo? You guys think the people who play at storm have any control over things? We just play there... no power whatsoever.. Its not like we can march up to wilo and make demands lol. so this :
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if you could've been bothered saying anything to wilo (who unlike anyone here, wanted to see st0rm destroyed) instead of the victims of his e-attacks, not only would you not be here making excuses as to why you didn't stand up to him, you might even still have a server.
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is just an unbelievably far-fetched delusion lol. there's no way that would have worked...
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463363 is a reply to message #463361] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:18 |
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| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:13 |
I don't see where I have blamed the victims at all? :S
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I know you don't.
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I don't understand why you can't respond nicely like crimson did. That was a good logical counterargument that I have to concede to. Yours was just personal attacks one after another that didn't explain anything.
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Stop being such a baby.
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463364 is a reply to message #462549] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:19 |
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You're supporting a person who attacks all the other renegade servers, why do you think you're "innocent". And why didn't you people either leave (like the st0rm regulars who actually cared and left the community over Wilo's flooding the rest of the Renegade community) or got Wilo to resign?
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463365 is a reply to message #462549] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:23 |
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1) Just because we play there doesn't mean we have the power to make him resign. Same as how you guys control renegade but don't have the power to make him resign either.
2) Just because we play there doesn't mean we support him. I don't know why I have to keep repeating this, but playing there doesn't give him more power to crash servers, it doesn't make us slaves to his will, or anything along those lines. We're like the people at the homeless shelter receiving services for free with no strings attached, not hired goons or corrupted cops receiving bribes from an organization to carry out/assist crimes.
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463367 is a reply to message #463361] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:27 |
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| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:13 |
Edit: And what exactly am I supposed to say to wilo?
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What I said to him, which was the following:
JUST STOP BEING SUCH A CUNT
the first few times I said it was more polite than this. it started off being phrased more along these lines
"no more ddosing and hacking, no more e-threats, no more trying to lie your way out of it and frame other people for what you're doing, just leave other people alone"
i said this over and over and over again, at the risk of e-attacks from a script kiddie with obvious mental problems, cos unlike you i've actually got a set. this is what wilo desperately needed to hear, and it's a shame his parents never said it to him cos maybe then he wouldn't be doing much worse than ddosing.
i actually did something to try to save st0rm, so did crimson (in a different way); now how about you just pipe down and accept the fact that you did nothing.
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if you could've been bothered saying anything to wilo (who unlike anyone here, wanted to see st0rm destroyed) instead of the victims of his e-attacks, not only would you not be here making excuses as to why you didn't stand up to him, you might even still have a server.
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is just an unbelievably far-fetched delusion lol. there's no way that would have worked...
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and if more of you had done so, if you st0rm regulars had had the balls to tell wilo that him going so far out of his way to aggravate the situation was gonna be the death of st0rm, and he ignored you, that would be a result too. he'd have been utterly discredited among his own community.
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463371 is a reply to message #463358] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:32 |
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In my opinion, This thread probably just needs to be closed or make a i hate st0rm thread. All everyone seems to be doing now is just Either
1. Trolling
2. Not moving on to other subjects in either their own community or the renegade community.
3. Nagging about an issue that has been dealt with at the appropriate levels and taken care of.
Honestly, anyone else from st0rm needs to stop posting here. All you are doing is just feeding trolls, And feeding their argument that everyone in st0rm is mindless/Fucking retarded. Stop making everything worse than what it was. If people wanna bitch let them. I'm not gonna loose sleep.
I haven't been around at st0rm for 2 years, if people wanna call us mindless drones for being there, Let them. Just don't prove their argument by making dumbass posts.
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463372 is a reply to message #462549] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:36 |
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Don't close this thread, this isn't St0rm where everything gets locked once it starts going against their way.
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463373 is a reply to message #463371] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:36 |
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| kikiller wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:32 |
In my opinion, This thread probably just needs to be closed or make a i hate st0rm thread. All everyone seems to be doing now is just Either
1. Trolling
2. Not moving on to other subjects in either their own community or the renegade community.
3. Nagging about an issue that has been dealt with at the appropriate levels and taken care of.
Honestly, anyone else from st0rm needs to stop posting here. All you are doing is just feeding trolls, And feeding their argument that everyone in st0rm is mindless/Fucking retarded. Stop making everything worse than what it was. If people wanna bitch let them. I'm not gonna loose sleep.
I haven't been around at st0rm for 2 years, if people wanna call us mindless drones for being there, Let them. Just don't prove their argument by making dumbass posts.
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463374 is a reply to message #462549] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 15:37 |
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Okay i think its clear everyone on here wants the same thing.
Stop attacking each other and put an end to the madness and go back to playing the game we all love.
We have heard the same arguements posted 100 times in this thread and someone new keeps coming in to start it up again.
So i'm coming in to say what has all this fighting accomplished other than you guys trying to be badasses fighting each other senselessly.
Really serves no point other than to give Aircraftkiller a chance to post some comment correcting someones spelling or post a stupid funny picture as always lol
Basically it seems wilo is bad, get rid of him. st0rm is already dead so find another server like n00bstories jelly-server Area54 clanwarserver(spoony) or create a new st0rm server and call it Lightningst0rm.
Maybe Crimson at some point (no pressure) will make n00bstories offically 4.0 because a lot of us do have it i think and with the loss of those who don't we will make up for with the st0rm players looking for their safe no cheat server
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463382 is a reply to message #463372] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 16:00 |
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| Duck wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 15:36 |
Don't close this thread, this isn't St0rm where everything gets locked once it starts going against their way.
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Yes because if i was like that, I would of immediately started crying about closing the thread.
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463386 is a reply to message #463326] |
Thu, 01 March 2012 16:18 |
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| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 13:39 |
nothing more annoying than telling some idiot to stop team hampering only to have him say "shut up noob, look at my awesome rank/ladder/recs/fame/etc that I got from these acts of team hampering." or something along those lines.
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I know exactly what you mean. Here's an example of that where some guy that was obviously spoofing your nickname (since I see how strongly despise these kinds of players) does just that:
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[22:53:13] [Team] falcod666: PUT THAT MAMMY BACK IN BASE
[22:53:46] [Team] -DM-reckneya: falco, is it that big a deal?
[22:53:47] [Private] falcod666: put that back in base on the airstrip
[22:53:51] [Team] falcod666: yes. it is
[22:53:52] Host: Veteran: falcod666 ordered a new vehicle!
[22:54:04] [Team] -DM-reckneya: falco, it counts for our limit
[22:54:04] Host: Veteran: Fr4gg0r ordered a new vehicle!
[22:54:10] [Team] falcod666: THE MOMENT WE GET 16 gdi vehs, GDI CAN"T GET ORCAS
[22:54:19] [Team] falcod666: and no it counts to THEIR limit
[22:54:22] [Team] -DM-reckneya: it's not a gdi vehicle
[22:54:24] [Team] [DTA]thomasemperor: dude he isnt losing it
[22:54:25] [Team] falcod666: dont question me i played this game way longer than you
[22:54:32] [Team] falcod666: he already ALMOST lost it just now
[22:54:32] [Team] psychoyo: mamy is gdi veh
[22:54:34] [Team] -DM-Reaver11: Oh noes!
[22:54:37] [Team] -DM-reckneya: it was ordered by chinook
[22:54:37] [Team] falcod666: i had to kill myself to save him
[22:54:45] [Team] falcod666: Yes. dont question me i told u i know
[22:54:50] [Team] falcod666: it counts as their limit
[22:54:55] [Team] Source: it was a crate give doesnt count on GDi count
[22:54:56] [Team] falcod666: regardless of how it was gotten
[22:55:01] [Team] Cutzenklo: so why we are saving all the vehs if its counting as our limit
[22:55:11] [Team] falcod666: ALL EMPTY GDI VEHS COUNT TO THEIR LIMIT. IT DOESNT MATTER HOW U GET THEM
[22:55:11] [Team] -DM-Reaver11: and they still buy veh...
[22:55:18] [Team] bigost0rm: it counts against thier limit
[22:55:19] [Team] Cutzenklo: truwe
[22:55:19] [Team] -DM-reckneya: falco, this was a general vehicle, so it counts as our limit
[22:55:22] [Team] falcod666: they can use !veh, but they can't buy orcas
[22:55:22] Host: Veteran: wuzaaaaap ordered a new vehicle!
[22:55:31] [Team] Source: ok so do we have a plan or are we gonna complain about veh counts?
[22:55:31] Host: Veteran: psychoyo ordered a new vehicle!
[22:55:31] [Team] -DM-reckneya: either kill it or use it
[22:55:32] [Team] falcod666: Reckneya, i've told u before... IT COUNTS AS THEIR LIMIT
[22:55:36] [Team] falcod666: FFS
[22:55:38] [Team] falcod666: !rank
«««««apparently shows some awesome rank»»»»»»»»»»
[22:55:41] [Team] falcod666: SEE THAT RANK>
[22:55:49] [Team] falcod666: DO U THINK I GOT THAT BY BEING NUB?
[22:55:52] [Team] falcod666: DONT QUESTION MY KNOWLEDGE
[22:55:54] [Team] psychoyo: yep?
[22:55:54] [Team] bigost0rm: maybe
[22:55:57] [Team] falcod666: IT COUNTS AS THEIR LIMIT
[22:55:58] [DTA]thomasemperor: n00b
[22:55:58] [Team] psychoyo: joke joke
[22:56:01] KAGRAN22: stop talking
[22:56:01] [Team] [DTA]thomasemperor: stfu
[22:56:10] [Team] Rachele: cow
[22:56:17] Host: Veteran: muratarum ordered a new vehicle!
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True, I was wrong about the vehicle limit, but... a well nuff said?
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| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 14:18 |
I don't have anything extra to add. I rail on here because I do have something extra to add... mainly logic and reason
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Right, explain the logic of the above quotes where you hate it when people act like you.
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(no this is not a threat, its just an observation on human psychology)
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Ah. There is my answer; human psychology. Let's read up on "when you blame others that act like you for acting the way they do, but are unable to reflect on yourself."
Ah found it. It says that would define you as an idiot. Hmm, unable to reflect on yourself. That sounds familiar. Wasn't there this other guy in st0rm that had some issues with that? Nah, can't remember. My memory must be flooded with all this drama.
| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 14:18 |
Lastly.. moral calibre should only be defined by what we do, not what we don't do.
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Yes, that's something we can agree upon then falcod. And you know what, I wish to give you some advice on that particular subject. Here's what I recommend you should do. You should stop posting. You're welcome.
| falcod wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 13:39 |
we don't treat him as a god or idol like all you hate mongerers have been implying...
its a game server.. free too.. no strings attached.. we wanted to play there because of the server mods, its that simple. We don't want the server because we love the owner, we want the server because the gameplay is fun... just because we're there doesn't mean we like the owner or approve of whatever acts he does.
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So, let me get this straight; if Osama Bin Laden was to host a server (the real one, not some spoof) and it was a server to your liking, you would play there? Openly? Ok, maybe if it was Hitler hosting it? No this is not far fetched, cause if the answer to this is not YES, than to some extend you would be bothered by bad things the owner of a server you play on has done. So to put that back in perspective, you actually do condone what Wilo has done. And that goes for anyone that agrees with your free server analogy. Like the server but hate the owner? Where is the petition to have Wilo removed from power? Even if that was impossible, which it is not, you could, if worst come to worst... ready? here it comes... PLAY ON ANOTHER FREE SERVER! There's about 20 of them, and if I am not mistaken Atomix comes pretty close to St0rm when it comes to mods. Oh wait, 1 difference; The server doesn't crash because it's actually not scripted by a psychopath that couldn't admit he made errors even with a gun to his face.
Truly, have you not seen that article about him? Oh right, it was "all made up." Well my ex-girlfriend(s) never had to make anything up because for one; they were not 17, and two; I treat them nice.
Think about it dude. You're declaring you want to continue your conduct knowing full well the owner is a criminal and overall bad person. Nobody will give you any respect for that, and nor should they.
Flame on.
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Also what happened to you can change your ISP I doubt you even know what a VPN is or even a remote idea of how the Internet even works.
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If I disregard the deficit of cohesion between his statements, and the lack of proper spelling and use of symbols I think I know what he was trying to say, and I lol'd. No hard feelings though Brandan 
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| Re: St0rm "Truth" [message #463391 is a reply to message #463387] |
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| iRANian wrote on Thu, 01 March 2012 18:23 |
falcod is just another renegade troll, as if this community doesn't have enough of them. 
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He's not a troll, he's an idiot who thinks he knows how Renegade gameplay works and it's coding.
And falcod, if you were against St0rm closing down, then why didn't you do what the rest of the people in st0rm (that mattered) do, which was tell to tell Wilo to "GET THE FUCK OUT" so to speak. Or go with the 2nd option (if you were a staff member) which was leave and stop any further support for Wilo's bullshit.
All of the morons who "support" Wilo were prety much waiting to get exiled. Wilo is pretty much like Hitler and the community are the Jews waiting to be backstabed or removed from st0rm when their services are no longer needed.
Do you people not realize none of this shit would of happened if Wilo wasn't such a fucking sociapathic lying son of a bitch who thinks he has so much power over the world of the internet with his e-warrior pride.
When I first entered st0rm and joined the staff, it was actually enjoyable. But when days went on and I learned about the bullshit he was doing, I didn't want to be part of it all. I did not want to administrate a network where the owner attacks other local communities just so he can attempt to gain a playerbase. What's even more sad is certain people in the fucking administration team knew about Wilo's attacks and didn't have the balls to say shit to him. I confronted him. I still remember what I said. "If you truly believe in your members and their ability to make st0rm popular and continue to have a strong playerbase, then you don't need to resort into attacking Jelly". In return he said he would stop. But he didn't, and I stopped giving a shit. Then the whole community war scandal. It's stupid.
Let me break it down:
- MDK never cheated. Wilo fabricated it. MDK was an annoying fucker yes, but he never cheated.
- Wilo used donation funds for other things that are not related to st0rm.
- Wilo DoS'd a community outside of Renegade in defense for Black Widow Gaming when BW-Gaming was at fued with another BW-Gaming for the rights of the name "Black Widow". He DoS'd them and forced them on teamspeak to hand over the name in return, he would stop attacking them.
- Wilo didn't just cheat in 1 map in the community war. He fucking cheated in all of them, even granting our team a load of credits using the server side console commands.
- Wilo lied and blamed my code for his stupid server crashing when in reality it was his fault.
- Wilo tried to cause a scene blaming me for "hacking" their FTP and deleting files off their server box in the #St0rm public channel and didn't even provide any proof that it was me.
- Wilo doesn't have any friends in the federal agency. He's getting information off websites where you can pay $15 to do a background check on someone. It's all social media bullshit and Crimson can tell you that herself.
- In the events that occured yesterday with multiple users being banned for no reason including myself off the network and website, I opered up as Wilo on the IRC and zlined all network IRC operators but Wilo lied claiming I was ddosing St0rm and flooding the servers. Can't call it hacking when you have access, right?
- Oh lets not forget him lying he has my address and home phone number when I don't even have a fucking home phone. Hey Wilo, I still want to know my home phone number that I don't have you lying piece of shit.
- And did I mention he fucked other girls and messed around while dating his recent ex which I will leave nameless? Not to mention him having nude pictures of female community members of st0rm, one of them being another server owner, hmmm.
You people want to support him? So be it, but that makes you as disgusting as he is. Becareful, he might kill your unborn child and lock you in the closet.
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Wilo: Ur so fucking cool man!
Me: You disgust me this is what you're reduced to.
Wilo: Ur no better than me
Me: No. I don't get into people's personal lives.
Wilo: I am going into urs
Wilo: Watch me.
Me: idc try me.
Wilo: And I will do it worse than crim
Wilo: Oh you have no idea.
Me: Whatever. Sociapath. All you do is hide behind your little monitor.
Me: And show off how much of an e warrior you are.
Wilo: Yet I can destroy you from here.
Me: Get mad more over a 500 use renegade.
Wilo: Sad isn't it?
Me: Ya sure. Go kill some more unborn children.
Wilo: That I can crush you from behind a computer
Wilo: Lol, ok
Me: Go ahead and spend your cool 15 dollar background check online.
Wilo: You think I use those?
Wilo: Your funny.
Wilo: cya kid
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And "kid" really? Yet we're the same age, go figure.
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