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Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #463051 is a reply to message #463037] Tue, 28 February 2012 00:11 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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You missed the point. If there is a God, that explains the universe's existence. That is not being less intellectually honest. The origin of such a being is a different subject.

The conscience is not intelligence or a moral. It is that little voice inside your head that nags at you when you do something wrong or tells you to do something that is right. This is beyond the scope of altruistic behavior.

Don't know about enough about evolution to dig into intelligence.

The point in bringing up Plato is not to say they were perfectly good or to follow their teaching or anything. It was the accuracy of their writings. You presented the idea of the Bible not being an accurate historical text, and I was showing you a very condensed reasoning why it is. I am not trying to say "everyone follow what the Bible says", just establishing historical accuracy.

You ridicule the Bible yet fail to answer the Jewish and Roman sources outside of the Bible that also discuss Jesus' claim to being the Son of God...

You nevered answered it. You only said it was stupid that Jesus could be the Son of God but failed to answer with logic as to why.

The history comes from those sources I mentioned, the Bible (as a historical document), and then some logical induction from The Biblical Basis for Tradition by John Salza.

I would argue Catholicism (based upon Christian history) but this is a different subject.

Hell is the depravity of all love. Every Christian will agree to that.

Might is right is not at all what I am arguing. I am arguing that Jesus' miracles and him rising from the dead is a major clue to his divinity. If Jesus wished to teach might is right, he could have snapped his fingers and defeated all his enemies if he was divine. If he wasn't, he could have raised an army just as easy due to the political instability of that time in Israel. There was already skirmishes breaking out between the Essenes and the Romans.

Back to our subject of how the universe was created. I have presented two arguments the idea of a God creating the universe but you have neglected to show any logical fallacies in them and instead attack the teachings of Jesus and the Bible and sent out several logical fallacies, specifically red herrings.
 
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