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Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? [message #459603 is a reply to message #457987]

Fri, 18 November 2011 05:41

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everything about stalin's and mao's regimes was religious... the concept of an infallible leader who can't be questioned, the reliance upon faith instead of evidence, the concept of thoughtcrime as something that can be legislated and punished, the concept of everything good that happens being thanks to the supreme being's kindness and wisdom while everything bad that happens is a plot by his enemy...
you often hear it said that stalin was anti-religion. no, he was anti-rival-religion, like religion invariably is when it has the power to be.

as for hitler, it's too simplistic to call him a catholic (it's much closer to the truth than calling him an atheist would be, but that's besides the point). it's true that european fascism literally was the catholic right-wing in the beginning, it's true that the catholic church held cosy relations with every fascist regime in europe until the very end (even after the death of hitler) and it's true that the catholic church was an officially anti-semitic organisation all the way until the 1960's (the thing that made it change its mind on that was the general shift in the zeitgeist rather than the holocaust). but hitler himself was a kind of weird blend of nordic blood myths, leader worship, all that aryan nonsense, and the anti-semitism of fascism's catholic origins.

and hitler didn't just flick a switch and make everyone in germany hate jews all of a sudden - anti-semitism had been bubbling away in europe for centuries thanks to the christian churches, especially the catholic church.

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		Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Mon, 17 October 2011 03:26
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Gohax on Mon, 17 October 2011 07:14
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: shaitan on Mon, 17 October 2011 07:49
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Hypnos on Mon, 17 October 2011 08:15
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: reborn on Mon, 17 October 2011 08:43
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: ehhh on Mon, 17 October 2011 08:57
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: NACHO-ARG on Mon, 17 October 2011 09:48
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Mon, 17 October 2011 16:10
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Jerad2142 on Wed, 19 October 2011 08:18
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: _SSnipe_ on Wed, 26 October 2011 23:35
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Thu, 27 October 2011 05:11
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Thu, 27 October 2011 05:42
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Thu, 27 October 2011 06:07
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: reborn on Thu, 27 October 2011 06:15
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Fri, 28 October 2011 02:25
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: _SSnipe_ on Fri, 28 October 2011 20:23
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Sat, 29 October 2011 04:15
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Sun, 30 October 2011 11:49
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: slosha on Wed, 02 November 2011 20:23
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Taz on Mon, 07 November 2011 04:41
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Mon, 07 November 2011 08:58
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Starbuzz on Mon, 07 November 2011 09:03
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Taz on Mon, 07 November 2011 09:48
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Mon, 07 November 2011 10:00
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: TankClash on Mon, 07 November 2011 10:20
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Thu, 17 November 2011 12:06
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Starbuzz on Thu, 17 November 2011 21:48
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Taz on Thu, 05 January 2012 12:29
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Thu, 05 January 2012 15:12
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Taz on Mon, 07 November 2011 10:30
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Mon, 07 November 2011 12:02
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: reborn on Thu, 17 November 2011 23:55
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Fri, 18 November 2011 00:13
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Fri, 18 November 2011 05:12
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Fri, 18 November 2011 05:41
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: nikki6ixx on Fri, 18 November 2011 13:26
		Re: Is it possible to be shocked but not surprised? By: Spoony on Thu, 05 January 2012 14:18
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