| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452897 is a reply to message #452890] |
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iRANian
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For GSA users it would be nice to have a feature to let people with earlier versions connect to a server and once they're in-game have it spam a PASMG (the console command which makes a dialog appear with text in it) telling them to update to 4.0. So they can't do anything but read the text or exit the game.
EDIT: Yeah the XWIS spamming idea sounds perfect for XWIS users.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452898 is a reply to message #452758] |
Wed, 31 August 2011 08:30 |
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Spamming is a bad idea IMO.
The way I see it, we should release the public beta and we should let server owners decide whether to enforce 4.0 (or map authors for that matter if the map author wants to require 4.0 for their map to work as in the case of Fjord). We should also get Olaf to change the XWIS MOTD to mention 4.0 and provide a link. And we should see if Eric can give 4.0 and TT a shout out on whatever channel EA has these days for giving shouts to community content etc.
At the very least, we should post information on as many C&C forums (including the official EA forum) and news sites as we can find (and for servers that like/support 4.0 we can have them give a shout out to 4.0 on their forums and IRC channels and stuff)
Then later, once we have had a nice long period of 4.0 being available and we are sure we have something stable and bug-free enough to go over the patcher, we approach EA about possibly getting 4.0 pushed over the patcher. If EA is willing to talk about it, we talk about it. If EA says no, we consider other ideas.
Jonathan Wilson aka Jonwil
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452903 is a reply to message #452758] |
Wed, 31 August 2011 08:54 |
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You guys need to learn to read. Especially the phrase "once we had hit the point where we wanted it to be mandatory".
Mandatory = make it as inconvenient and annoying as possible not to comply
Until such a time, just the MOTD, in-game messages from server owners, and lots of forum posts around the web will suffice to gain adoption.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452908 is a reply to message #452758] |
Wed, 31 August 2011 09:01 |
iRANian
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Well, during the public beta there should be a community effort to tell players that TT patch will be released as an official patch "soon", and that they should download the beta and/or be aware of this (which doesn't even need to be more than just having messages on their forums and in-game announcements). When the point comes that it'll be pushed via the auto-updater, GSA/direct connect people should still be able to connect to a server but be placed in a state where they can't do anything other than talk and receive messages that they should update.
All the communities out there support this patch so the only thing that's hampering official deployment is no approval from EA/Olaf and minor issues with a public beta that are found and need to be fixed.
I agree with Crimson.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452922 is a reply to message #452920] |
Wed, 31 August 2011 10:07 |
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It's interesting how some people refuse to move forward, even when moving forward is good. I say this because there will always be those people who won't update to 4.0 if it wasn't forced and play the non 4.0 servers if such servers existed.
Not pro enough at renegade to snipe.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452927 is a reply to message #452926] |
Wed, 31 August 2011 10:53 |
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Gen_Blacky
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| Caveman wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 10:40 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 18:29 |
| Caveman wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 18:26 |
Im not sure on his reasoning and to be honest I dont care. When I was owner I supported TT but now he is owner he has made his opinion of it quite clear.
If he doesn't run TT then there will be a 'popular' server that people that choose not to update can play in which is why its either 100% commitment from the communities or none because it wont work.
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I wonder however...
This may not be a problem, since the servers don't auto-update anyway now do they? With a 4.0 client one can perfectly connect to a stock FDS. As far as I know there are no negative side-effects of this, except that some TT features wouldn't be utilized. This would be no problem if the server owner wouldn't want to run TT.
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Thats the point... I don't want to play on a server where other people aren't running TT because its not enforced. The whole point of TT is to have bug fixes and stop RGHers.. You can't enforce TT on a server that doesn't run it.
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Than don't play in Atomix its that simple. That server has gone to shit anyways its worst than storm now. Xpert raped that server hard core.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452931 is a reply to message #452930] |
Wed, 31 August 2011 11:17 |
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| Caveman wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 11:03 |
I do like the mod that is running.
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That's why I dislike it. The vet system drives me up the wall.
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If I decide not to play on there what it is really going to do to the player count?
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The problem will still be there.. A server that doesnt run TT thats popular, giving people a reason not to update.
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Doesn't matter. Just wait until the beta roles out.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #452934 is a reply to message #452917] |
Wed, 31 August 2011 12:15 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 31 August 2011 18:22 |
Well, it's not my problem if they want to stick to bugged ren, so nevermind then?
I bet he's just too lazy to port his scripts or something simple like that. Besides that there aren't any changes that I know of that would change gameplay.
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I don't want to be a Partypooper here, but implicating that he's lazy and so on is probably not going to help convinving him to change his opinion, seeing how these are public forums and so on.
If I had a good reason to not support something and I'd see implications being made about me in public forums by a team member of the patch I refuse to support, I'd be pissed off and would support it even less.
tl;dr: don't make assumptions about people and their reasoning.
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Every so often, I get this positive feeling that humanity can somehow, possibly attain pure awesomeness, and enlightenment, and that there is light at the end of the road for us all. However, I only need to go to the latest HUD thread at RenForums to remind me of how dumb I was for thinking such stupid things.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #453000 is a reply to message #452758] |
Thu, 01 September 2011 00:10 |
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Indeed, spamming PAMSG on a server will only make players leave and play on others that don't. That is clearly not the way toa bug free Renegade because lets face it, if they are too lazy to download a map, they are too lazy to download a non-enforced patch.
Also, you are never going to get 100% community support. There is always going to be a few numpties that will oppose it just for the sake of causing rene-drama. The main thing I think is getting it bug free, as well as fixing a lot of the existing bugs. Even on Jelly servers I spawn under the HON on Field... (subtle hint for liquidv2).
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so what you are saying it is gonna take even longer before this thing is finished
So the topic title should be changed to: a sucky little "teaser" from C&C Reborn has been released
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Unless they are girls, I am not going to bone them.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #453007 is a reply to message #453000] |
Thu, 01 September 2011 02:43 |
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| crazfulla wrote on Thu, 01 September 2011 |
Even on Jelly servers I spawn under the HON on Field... (subtle hint for liquidv2).
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Does this happen occasionally or frequently? I've never seen this happen personally and you're the first one that I hear complain about it.
Post about it in our forums, I wouldn't want to derail this thread.
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 19:47 |
Every so often, I get this positive feeling that humanity can somehow, possibly attain pure awesomeness, and enlightenment, and that there is light at the end of the road for us all. However, I only need to go to the latest HUD thread at RenForums to remind me of how dumb I was for thinking such stupid things.
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| Re: Forced release upon all Renegade users? [message #453012 is a reply to message #452758] |
Thu, 01 September 2011 04:28 |
iRANian
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I've heard at least one thousand people complain about it, it's because Marathon isn't running the server-side Core Patch 2 maps. When I said the CP2 maps fix the Weapon Factory dead zone size I got told that's impossible and not how things work.
You seriously never heard anyone complain about it?
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